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Yes, it’s about domestic Outlaw US Empire politics as we near the 2024 election in November, roughly 41 weeks away. Is it shaping up as badly as 1860? No, the issues are very different and thus the dynamics too. The only real similarity is the refusal to place all candidates onto each state’s ballot. I hear a question coming from the back of the room: If the USA’s a democracy, then why are only a few allowed onto the ballot in each state, and why are the restrictions so restricting? Isn’t that an excellent question? Whose interests does this state-of-affairs serve? A few are aware of what the courts have already ruled about both the D & R Parties: That they are both private corporations and have no legal duty to listen to what the public wants through elections and conventions—they can put whoever they want as their nominees for President and Vice-President. Yes, you read that correctly.
What’s being shared here is a good initial overview published by Sputnikglobe, “US Facing 1860-Scale National Breakdown Threat Over State Ballot Bans Against Trump.” In 1860, there were several very hot political issues all related to the Slavery issue. The best treatment of that crisis is The Disruption Of American Democracy by Roy Nichols, the 1949 Pulitzer Prize winner for History and free to download at the above link. The mud’s already flying; here’s some insight:
The recent decision in Maine to ban former President Donald Trump from the state ballot in the 2024 presidential election could rapidly escalate and lead to a complete disintegration of the national US political system next year, such as happened in 1860 - leading directly to the 1861-65 Civil War, experts told Sputnik.
"This whole situation might end badly for the United States [and] lead straight to a national breakdown. Like it happened in 1860," US constitutional historian and political commentator Dan Lazare said.
Maine Secretary of State Shenna Bellows disqualified Trump from the state's Republican primary ballot because of his role in the January 6 riot at the Capitol in 2021.
"They [the challengers] have provided sufficient evidence to demonstrate the falsity of Mr. Trump's declaration that he meets the qualifications of the office of the presidency," Bellows wrote in a document on Thursday. "Therefore, as required by [law], I find that the primary petition of Mr. Trump is invalid."
However, Bellows added that the effect of the decision will be suspended until the Maine State Superior Court rules on any forthcoming appeal from the Trump defense bench. Maine will hold its vote for the Republican primary in March.
The appeal will be filed immediately, a Trump campaign spokesman said in a press release.
Bellows' announcement followed the Colorado state decision earlier this month to bar Trump from participating in that state's Republican primary and marked a serious escalation towards a national constitutional crisis and breakdown, Lazare said. "The results are negative no matter how you look at it," he said.
If the courts uphold the Colorado and Maine decisions, other states would follow the same path and the crisis would go nationwide, Lazare said.
"Suppose the [US] Supreme Court lets the Colorado and Maine decisions stand. That means that other states will likely follow suit, knocking Trump, the leading candidate according to a multitude of polls, off the ballot in much of the country," Lazare said.
That process could destroy Trump's prospects of being elected in a free and fair national vote even if he won the Republican presidential nomination, Lazare said.
"Presumably, that spells defeat [for Trump] in November. But how many Americans will regard such an outcome as even remotely fair?" he said.
Republican-controlled states would not stand by passively and allow the Democrats to manipulate the national presidential election that way, Lazare said.
Threat to Biden's Rule
"Even worse is if Texas Lieutenant-Governor Dan Patrick follows through on his threat to bar Biden in retaliation. If so, Sleepy Joe [President Joe Biden] could find himself off the ballot in much of the country as well," Lazare said.
The United States has not been rocked by such a constitutional crisis in 164 years, he noted.
"The result will be a replay of 1860 in which Lincoln was off the ballot in nine southern states, Stephen A. Douglas was off the ballot in two up north, John Breckinridge, the Southern Democratic candidate, was barred in four, and John Bell, the Constitutional Union candidate, was barred in three," Lazare said.
The result was the almost immediate slide into a Civil War now estimated to have cost 800,000 lives out of a total population of only 30 million, he said.
"Since no candidate was capable of achieving anything resembling a national mandate, a broken-down electoral process led straight to a national breakdown as well," Lazare said.
The US Supreme Court might well overturn the irresponsible decisions of the Colorado and Maine state governments. But that in turn would outrage Democrats across the nation, he said.
"But now consider what happens if the Supreme Court overturns the Colorado and Maine decisions, thereby putting the other 48 states on notice that such shenanigans will not be tolerated. It is not hard to guess what happens next: a hue and cry from Democrats that the court is operating at gross variance with the Fourteenth Amendment's insurrection clause," Lazare said.
Claims of a Power Grab
However, the Fourteenth Amendment itself was adopted as part of the Republican-directed Reconstruction of the South in the post-Civil War era, Lazare said.
Therefore, "they [today's Democrats] will label it a neo-Confederate power grab and a replay of Bush v. Gore in December 2000. Since Trump appointed three of the court's six conservative justices, they'll accuse him of fixing the outcome," Lazare said.
Such a crisis would destroy US political stability even if Trump won legitimately, he said.
"If he [Trump} wins, the blow to legitimacy will be terrific. Political instability will deepen," Lazare said.
The underlying cause of the entire crisis is the collapse of the United States' ancient and unreformed political system, he said. "The bottom line is that American democracy is falling apart regardless," Lazare said.
The faults in the current system had been apparent, exposed and had only gotten worse for decades, he said.
"America's hyper-federal system of 50 separate state elections is so baroque and antiquated that it fairly cries out for an overhaul. Yet fundamental structural reform is something our sclerotic constitutional system will not allow. Consequently, the decay can only intensify," Lazare said.
Decisions to Ban Trump Not Valid
Historian and TNT radio commentator Bruce de Torres added that the arguments for barring Trump from the Republican primary ticket were not valid.
"It's a travesty. If, as I believe, Trump has not been 'convicted' of 'insurrection' in any case that I know of. If this process continues, nothing good comes of it," Torres said.
The Colorado and Maine decisions in reality revealed a terror of the outcome of any just, free and fair democratic process by the very officials and political establishment who had been elected and appointed to uphold it, he said.
"We cower in fear, proving our weakness to ourselves, and sink into deeper self-loathing and hatred of ourselves, which we'll project onto 'others,' further divided and conquered in the 'war of all against all' that our overlords would love to induce," Torres said.
The crisis can only serve to destroy the last vestiges of trust and confidence that the American people still have in their political system, he said.
"As many are now saying, a majority will believe 'our institutions are rotten' and so we'll go along with some plan to follow - be governed by - some foreign/international power, because we will think 'the American experiment failed so let's try something else,'" Torres added.
Supreme Court Bulwark
George Mason University law professor Frank Buckley said there was still one bulwark of constitutional responsibility that could and probably would overturn the Colorado and Maine state announcements.
"[They will be] reversed by the Supreme Court," Buckley said.
In August, President Tom Fitton, president of the conservative legal and election watchdog group Judicial Watch, described the indictment moves against Trump as "a naked threat and act of intimidation by the Democratic Party" against any and all of their political opponents.
2024 will see a record number of elections globally with those within the Outlaw US Empire being merely one of many. It once mattered globally who one, but foreign and domestic policy now is continuous and is merely tinkered with at the margins. It’s that big problem that actually pisses off most likely US voters—policy is rarely ever changed to favor the 99%. I wrote about the roots of this problem during the 2020 election and will likely revisit them again.
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I couldn't care less, being an anarchist. Watching this country and its society fall apart is both amusing and educational.
And as for the ridiculous talk-up of a "civil war" - even spawning an idiotic movie - this is obviously intended to serve the PTB agenda of breaking down what little remains of so-called "civil rights" - which don't exist and never have - and expanding the power of the state even further. And of course, all this will be welcomed by both "sides" - which are in reality one side: morons.
There's zero chance of any "civil war" anyway, primarily because there is no one to fight it. The stupid "militias" are riddled with Federal informants and the instant they get out of line, they'll end up like the Branch Davidians and Ruby Ridge. The US military may not be able to win a war anywhere outside the country but even with a bunch of "woke" recruits, they should still be able to suppress any excessive urban violence. And as we've seen in Ukraine, rural insurgency is no longer possible in the age of drones and thermal vision.
What is far more likely than "civil war" is the imposition of dictatorship, however camouflaged by legalistic niceties and "bi-partisan" support. Censorship is now total except for the Internet and that can be easily imposed. Criticizing Israel is already a "hate crime" subject to prosecution. This will easily be extended to anyone criticizing any moves the government makes to repress any alleged "insurgency". January 6 was merely a first run.
People are advised to start reading up on "Gray Man Theory" and tradecraft. Sticking your head out will land you in prison. Been there, done that, not happening again.
Can I ask you a question Karl? I get that the democracy in my little subset of NATO is a fiction, like a carnival game made to look plausible but angled enough to never really give out the good rewards. Purposeful lack of education, lack of impartial journalism, too much corporate interference and government structured apparatus that is unwilling to be responsive to actual organic demand and change.
What terrifies me is the idea that if we go one higher step up the ladder to the international stage its still going to be more of the same, the NATO party leader and the Eurasian party leader are going to offer to different rhetoric but now behind their curtain the same small circles of "elites" meaning the people who control the planets wealth are still just going to keep profiting hand over fist packaging and selling to different sides of the same divide a conquer game. In your research/knowledge of the eastern communities, is anyone espousing such possibilities or anything tangible evidence of such.
I use to ask COVID deniers, yeah I agree with you we cannot trust our own government but for the COVID crisis to have been a total lie it would have had to have been a lie that all NATO, EU, Russia & China would have had to have held up together. Why then do you think Russia and China would play along with that? I use to think that was a pretty solid safeguard, but is it?