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Response to Karl Sanchez' post:

2024 POTUS: Commentary on Crooke's Current Perspective: "Counter-Revolution – ‘Do You Know What Time It Is?’"

"Mindless chaos or anarchy is no way to achieve justice. "

LOL Two points: 1) "Justice" is one of those terms humans like to use that have absolutely zero reference in the real world; it is used solely to bludgeon other people; and 2) anarchy IS the only way to achieve "justice" in the sense that everyone literally and physically gets what they deserve by definition.

"We the People need to establish a new guiding document and institutions to support it as the current arrangement has utterly failed."

As individualist anarchism points out, there is no "We the People" - there are only individuals who do not necessarily have common interests. There is one such: survival - and at scale in a society of rational entities is best achieved by cooperation. Hint: The human race is not such a society and can not be such a society in the present state of human nature.

Second, any "guiding document" is not going to be put together by an individual and probably not by any group of random individuals. It would have to be put together by a group of extremely rational and extremely well-educated individuals with a range of subject matter expertise involving human physiology, neurophysiology, evolutionary psychology, ethnology, sociology, history, economics, geography, and other subjects that escape me at the moment but I am sure are considerable in number. It probably would take several years to produce.

And third, until the present system is smashed, there will be no "institutions" to support a new one. In fact, it's likely that any "institutions" presented as the solution will turn out to be the exact opposite. But no such institutions can be created while the present ones exist in any form that entails an armed force protecting them. The elites that exist are not going to fade away after an "election" that supposedly turns them out of power. As demonstrated by history, they will subvert or simply overthrow any system than suppresses them.

What do you think happened to the US system? Within ten years, they were suppressing habeas corpus in order to arrest rioters in Massachusetts...

There's a book I just downloaded last Friday which is very relevant to that last. I haven't read it yet, but here's the synopsis:

From Independence to the U.S. Constitution

The "Critical Period" of American history—the years between the end of the American Revolution in 1783 and the ratification of the U.S. Constitution in 1789—was either the best of times or the worst of times. While some historians have celebrated the achievement of the Constitutional Convention, which, according to them, saved the Revolution, others have bemoaned that the Constitution’s framers destroyed the liberating tendencies of the Revolution, betrayed debtors, made a bargain with slavery, and handed the country over to the wealthy.

This era—what John Fiske introduced in 1880 as America’s "Critical Period"—has rarely been separated from the U.S. Constitution and is therefore long overdue for a reevaluation on its own terms. How did the pre-Constitution, postindependence United States work? What were the possibilities, the tremendous opportunities for "future welfare or misery for mankind," in Fiske’s words, that were up for grabs in those years? The scholars in this volume pursue these questions in earnest, highlighting how the pivotal decade of the 1780s was critical or not, and for whom, in the newly independent United States.

As the United States is experiencing another, ongoing crisis of governance, reexamining the various ways in which elites and common Americans alike imagined and constructed their new nation offers fresh insights into matters—from national identity and the place of slavery in a republic, to international commerce, to the very meaning of democracy—whose legacies reverberated through the nineteenth and twentieth centuries and into the present day.

Contributors:Kevin Butterfield, Fred W. Smith National Library for the Study of George Washington at Mount Vernon * Hannah Farber, Columbia University * Johann N. Neem, Western Washington University * Dael A. Norwood, University of Delaware * Susan Gaunt Stearns, University of Mississippi * Nicholas P. Wood, Spring Hill College.

Book is available for free download here:

https://annas-archive.org/md5/bdc579115f57d9e42dc8ff1217b49ce8

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Prior to the 2020 election I asked MoA commentators to submit draft Manifestos

I love this idea. 1) anti imperialist war 2) anti oligarchs and their system, capitalism 3) anti police state measures against the working class (could probably just add some class content to the bill of rights for this one) 4) anti division of the working class via bourgeois identity politics.

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