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bevin's avatar

Powerful sections of the British ruling class, including many members of the Conservative majority in the House of Commons, intended to follow the example of the French collaborationists in 1940. They were prevented from doing so, largely, by the Trade Union movement which understood very well what happens to the working class under fascist rule.

Eighty five years later those same elements, long used to collaboration with the US imperialists, are doing their best to ensure that the replay of Operation Barbarossa will include British military contingents alongside the Rumanians, Finns, Swedes, Norwegians, Danes, Dutch, Belgians, French, Spanish, Italian, Croatian, Bulgarian and German contingents who fought then as they do now with Ukraine's fascists against a Russian state defying imperial hegemony.

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Karl Sanchez's avatar

Thanks as always for your comment, bevin! It’s often said the older send the young off to war, but with Russia the older didn’t want to do that but was forced into it. Now we see 35–45-year-olds volunteering for military service in the tens of thousands, while the Ukrainians kill those being press-ganged openly in the streets. Lavrov sees a Nazi revival that must be throttled in its crib.

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Loam's avatar

In the chat you point out, Dmitry Orlov informs us of an interesting fact:

"The translator of the Ukrainian delegation at the talks in Istanbul, Oleg Golovko, became another Ukrainian defect — he fled the Turkish capital even before the end of the negotiations."

https://eadaily.com/en/news/2025/05/19/the-translator-of-the-kiev-delegation-in-istanbul-fled-in-order-not-to-return-to-the-ukraine

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james's avatar

the alternative could have been worse, as was the case with Denys Kireyev who in march 2022 was accused of being a russian spy and shot, only to find out later that in fact he was an honourable ukraine who tried to find a way to peace.. but hey - that is the ukrainian approach it appears.. kill anyone trying to find a peaceful solution...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denys_Kireyev

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WTFUD's avatar

Smart dude!

The returning party from the first Istanbul negotiations didn't fare too well as one of them received a bullet delivered into the back of the head.

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dacoelec's avatar

If if it were possible for Trump to be any more full of 🐂💩, the methane would spontaneously ignite and blow him to bits.

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Karl Sanchez's avatar

He should be hooked up to a machine so he can power the White House.

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WTFUD's avatar

Let's be serious!

Even with the full support of Uncle Sham NATO couldn't produce the necessary firepower to seriously impact the battlefield.

Package after package dwindled in size (much like my monthly supply by the 2nd week), even 'borrowing' from other western affiliated concubines like Japan & Korea, their bastard mongrel offspring Israel and those devious Turks.

EUROPE (inc. UK) are Bankrupt. The cost of procuring the materials in the quantities required, the energy costs and building the necessary infrastructure to produce xyz systems is highly improbable, especially when China & Russia 'were' the main suppliers of said raw materials.

It's all bluster from goosestepping Merz, petite napoleon and the gay icon in my jurisdiction.

Remember, the meagre resources currently delivered to Ukraine at the cost of cutting services in the UK/EU will result in increased civil unrest among these vassals.

It's obvious to me that Russia's MO in Chasov Yar, eliminating hundreds of their best troops, day in, day out for over a year in keeping with their denazification pogrom will go down as NATO's worst tactical battlefield decision ever in the history of war, worse than Bakhmut & Avdeevka combined.

I believe after the summer offensives very little will remain of Ukraine's Armed Forces. I foresee much like in WW2 a group of cadet volunteers defending the perimeter as the Russian T90's roll into Kiev.

If the Eurotrash remain belligerent the SMO will revert to long range missile exchanges into the belly of Europe who unlike those brainwashed drug fuelled fight to the death patsies on today's frontline will raise the white flag after the first salvo.

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bevin's avatar

It is because the politicians running Europe are stupid.

The only attraction that NATO and the EU ever had for ordinary Ukrainians, especially the young who had been indoctrinated over thirty years to hate communism and Russia, was the 'west's prosperity, the money and the lifestyle. The caricature of 'middle class' life that Hollywood promotes- a life that hasn't existed since the seventies when real wages started falling and inequality rose dramatically.

Now that Europe is impoverishing itself by playing war games and auditioning to be Uncle Sam's hyena, that appeal has been lost. Which is why all the colour revolution plays in Belarus, Serbia, Georgia etc are failing.

Ukraine is the perfect example- what the Maidan produced for the wannabe americans and the fans of the EU was unemployment, nazi terrorist recruiters, insecurity and poverty.

Hold an election in Ukraine tomorrow and any pro-Russian, anti war candidate will win.

As we have seen recently voters in Slovakia, Hungary, Rumania, Moldova are already orienting towards Moscow and the likelihood is that this movement away from Atlanticism and towards a Eurasian future will eventually spread to the Channel and beyond.

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WTFUD's avatar

A large percentage of politicians are lawyers, the monkeys doing the bidding of organ-grinder Deep State. The perfect choice as a group in general with low moral integrity.

A combination of NATO trained forces armed with advanced missile systems coupled with extreme economic and financial sanctions was the plan to cripple Russia, however, the finance gurus and economic forecasters/planners as Martyanov often explains do not comprehend what a real economy looks like.

Curtailed by their deep indebtedness and Russia's growing economic, military and global sphere of influence, as witness France losing its West African cash-cows to Russia recently, they went all in, even doubled down and lost.

The fallout in UK/Europe will impact us detrimentally for half a century.

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Kotanraju Via Znanje's avatar

It's time for the famed duel between the Oreshnik and Patriot (THAAD would be better) in country 404. The Russian MOD can easily identify one, telegraph the time and place of launch, and give 'er a go.

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Karl Sanchez's avatar

In essence, that already happened, and Patriot lost.

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rakyat kecil's avatar

Twice would prove it even for Trumplestillskin!

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J C's avatar

It's all quite sad. 😔

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Anna's avatar

The EU deciders are startled that targeting civilians is an act of terrorism.

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