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Laladge's avatar

Thank you for this great article... I am grateful.

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Interesting, but hardly profound.

What Zinoviev tells us is an old story, much of which is true- the destruction of the Soviet Union was deliberate and the culmination of a campaign which lasted throughout the existence of the country, indeed as Zinoviev suggests, it was the shaping force which determined the nature of the Soviet Union.

On the other hand, and the interviewer was not much help, much of what Zinoviev trots out particularly on the nature of western society is Frankfurt Scholasticism. Far from being lost Liberalism is triumphant- the world according to imperialism is liberalism which is the theory of capitalist class rule.

The great 'miracle' of western economic progress in the post war period was one side of a coin, on the obverse was the unprecedented immiseration of the "south" an immiseration mobilised by the wars against the poor, against democracy, against progress, against all those 'values' that idiots still convince themselves are associated with the imperialist 'west' , the Empire and its clients, sub feudatory agents in the reduction of Latin America, Africa and Asia to serfdom under the American lord.

The interview is old, in hindsight we know better: since 1999 we have seen the break up of the consensus in the imperial metropoli, the attacks on the masses that Zinoviev rightly saw as consequences of the defeat of Soviet 'Communism' have come to be recognised by the very people whose agency both Zinoviev and his interviewer write off: the possibility of social revolution is increasing all the time, the energy of mass disilusionment, fear of the future and resentment of elites simply requires a vehicle, an organising principle, a political fulcrum and nothing, short of Armageddon can stop it coming.

There were many telling remarks but none perhaps more than Zinoviev's insistence that the weight of India and China in the world was inconsiderable by comparison with that of the imperium- nobody could possible subscribe now to such a proposition.

Already China has, in many indices, including that of military force, come to a material (no need to speak of moral) parity with the US and its creatures. And India despite its neo-Nazi RSS guides cannot but play the role that history has assigned it as one of the original victims of capitalist imperialism. Nor is it coincidental that the founders of liberalism and fascism, Bentham and the Mills notably among them, feasted off the exploitation of India and justified the ruthless regime established over it by the City of London and Parliament in Westminster.

Nothing more exemplifies the moral and political confusion of the Cold War and the western academy in which the likes of Zinoviev found refuge and succour than the interviewer's, obviously sincere, contrasting of the 'totalitarian ruthlessness' of the Soviet state, one of whose greatest sins was to assist the popular government in Kabul, with the liberal generosity and consideration exemplified not only in the serial genocides in Indo China, Indonesia and every inch of Latin America, not to mention Africa and Palestine but in the wars against poor people, trade unions, social movements, indigenous uprisings in which tens of millions were killed and hundreds of millions made victims of the pillage of their resources.

The nature of both systems is easily measured by the life expectancy of those who lived within their realms: in the imperialist sphere the average life expectancy declined in the 'socialist' world, despite the distortions forced upon governments by the requirement to provide against military aggression, it rose pretty generally.

It was this that obviously shocked Zinoviev when he returned to Russia under Yeltsin/Clinton, relieved of its 'totalitarianism' and its adherence to the most basic rules of decency, and found that life expectancy had plummeted and his fellow countrymen had been reduced to famine mitigated only by the war of all against all.

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