Chelyabinsk Region Final Stop: Its Students and Workers

On-site Stankomash Industrial Park Vladimir Putin held a meeting with students and employees of industrial enterprises of the Chelyabinsk Area. This was the last event on Putin’s trip to the Urals. Further info from the Kremlin:

Before the meeting, the Head of state toured the joint production site of the Konar Industrial Group with Transneft Oil Pumps JSC and Russian Electric Motors JSC. Valery Bondarenko, General Director of the Konar Industrial Group, provided explanations.

Konar is a group of manufacturing companies engaged in the development, design and integrated software for the gas, oil and petrochemical industries. The Stankomash industrial park has created a full production cycle for the production of parts and equipment for mechanical engineering and other industries-from its own steel billet to testing the finished product.

So, another Russian conglomerate, a popular organizational method as we’ve read. There’s very little oratory from Putin where he praises the sanctions as providing the spur that until them didn’t exist, then the discussion starts quickly. Entertaining and informative, although it’s long as usual. All emphasis mine:

Vladimir Putin: Good afternoon!

I looked at your production site. Impressive, of course.

I have just told the manager that if it weren't for the restrictions that our quasi-partners have imposed on Russia and on Russian industry, there probably wouldn't be such a large number of orders. He immediately confirmed: exactly. He says that even then we would not have acquired the competencies that are now acquired and are being applied and scaled up quite effectively in various areas, with the support of a large number and an increasing number of customers. It's great. Both the quality of work and the technologies used are impressive.

And of course, one of the key topics that we have been discussing constantly in recent years is personnel training. It is almost impossible to implement high-tech programs without well-trained, professional staff.

And here, too, your company is moving forward. A whole faculty was created at the Ural State University. I have just told the key shareholder of your company, your manager: you will train highly qualified specialists for yourself. He says, " No, not just for myself. We will prepare for the entire industry of Russia, according to the relevant business profiles." Which is very cool, very cool. This is a combination of the work of higher education, industry and relevant federal agencies that train personnel.

Therefore, there are many areas of work, and the scope of work is enormous. I am sure that everything will be done. In any case, I congratulate you on what has already been done and wish you success.

Please, let's get started.

Olga Lyubetskaya: Good afternoon, Vladimir Vladimirovich!

First of all, I would like to say that we are very happy to see you. We have been waiting for you very much, and this meeting has finally taken place. Welcome to the Southern Urals.

I must say, the frosts this year are so strong that it's hardly southern-I ask myself this question periodically. Nevertheless, we are meeting today in very warm conditions. I'm worried, of course I'm worried.

I would like to thank you for your feedback. I am an employee of the Konar Industrial Group, and your words, of course, warm the soul so much, and such pride rises inside for our industry, for our company, a bursting feeling.

You know, I'd like to say something else. The organizers of this event allowed me to ask you any question, without restrictions, that bothers me. And I thought, I thought, you know, I don't have any questions for you.

Vladimir Putin: Go ahead! Good luck! To new frontiers!

O. Lyubetskaya: You are so clear and clear in your addresses to explain the positions, the course Russia is taking, and therefore I personally have no questions, only a sense of gratitude and a sense of pride again for what a great President we have.

You know, I may not have any questions, but I know for sure that colleagues, students and representatives of other businesses here have prepared questions that interest them, their businesses, so they are waiting for this moment to ask you them.

Vladimir Putin: Okay, please.

To be honest, I thought we were leaving already. But when I saw the group here, ready to throw, I was glad. There is an opportunity to chat.

You are welcome.

Nikolai Yakovlev: Mr President, good afternoon!

My name is Nikolai Yakovlev. I am a representative of the personnel department of Chelyabinsk Tractor Plant-URALTRAK. We are part of the Uralvagonzavod concern and produce special-purpose diesel engines, which are important products for the country.

I will probably continue the topic that you raised at the beginning of our meeting. Now, especially in recent years, a lot of young employees are coming to the enterprises. Accordingly, we invest serious efforts in intra-company, intra-corporate training and in the development of mentoring. At the same time, we are interested in developing an educational system that would be aimed precisely at the needs of enterprises.

There is a proposal here-both from the point of view of developing the country and increasing its defense capability – to develop professional standards for key specialties in particularly important industries, perhaps even for holding companies and corporations. And already on the basis of them, in fact, to adjust educational standards, linking them as much as possible with each other, as a result, getting professional, trained graduates at the output.

In our opinion, it would be more correct to do this work with the participation of those very holdings, such as Uralvagonzavod, for example, which we are part of. We could work together with higher education institutions to take part in both the development of educational programs themselves and their implementation. We know that some universities in our country already have such experience, it is successful, and we believe that it would all be feasible. And I would also like to know your opinion on how much this process can be scaled up in principle, and if so, whether it is possible to speed up the time somehow.

Thanks

Vladimir Putin: Look, we were at Uralvagonzavod yesterday, where we also talked to the company's managers, and they are doing the same thing that is happening here. I have just mentioned that this company has created a whole faculty at Ural State University, and thank God. And your group of companies is doing the same thing, we have already launched a program called "Professionalism", and by 2028, in my opinion, a million people, a million specialists should be trained in new, newest or traditional areas of activity, which also acquire a new quality and require special training of employees. And, probably, I will not reveal any secret, especially for those who work at this enterprise. After all, today people of working professions should receive very high training. We will certainly continue this work in all areas. And as for the convergence of production needs with the work carried out by secondary vocational training institutions, and even higher ones, this is certainly the key to success. So that higher educational institutions, secondary schools, technical schools, lyceums work closely with production. But we have been doing this for a long time, for several years, with our leading companies. They respond because it suits their interests, the interests of companies.

Before I came here, I was at another company. The manager is sitting here somewhere, Andrey [Hartung]. It's the same there: they've recruited fifteen hundred employees, right? How much?

A. Hartung: 14 thousand.

Vladimir Putin: We have collected 14,000 people. They were prepared right on the spot. And of course, they are interested in making sure that the people who come back to production (and these are, as he said, former waiters, also a necessary profession, former managers, even doing something else in the service sector) have a good training. How many prisoners do you have in prison? 400 people?

A. Hartung: 280.

Vladimir Putin: 280, under 300 people. Even from places of deprivation of liberty, people work – there are not enough workers. And they also need to be trained, and this is also the future for them, because after this page in their life is turned over, they get a good profession and have further prospects for development, including professional and personal.

Therefore, we will work very closely, build this joint work between the school (we should start career guidance from school), between specialized secondary educational institutions, professional, as I have already said, technical schools and lyceums, and, of course, universities, and we will continue this work in universities.

I called one of the programs "Professalitet". A million people should be trained by 2028, but this is not the only program, there is a whole set of them, and we will continue to improve this interaction with the real sector of the economy. So there is no doubt about it.

N. Yakovlev: Thank you so much.

Pavel Baglay: Hello, Mr President!

My name is Baglay Pavel, I am the head of the department for industrial process automation at the robotics plant. My question actually intersects with my colleague, but in the context of robots.

Due to the new round of development of robotics in the industry, there is a need for new personnel – due to the fact that the principle of operation becomes more complicated and, as a result, the qualification requirement increases. Can you tell me if there are plans to modernize existing educational institutions and open new ones specifically in the context of robotics?

Thanks

Vladimir Putin: The governor and I have also discussed this issue, we were driving together in the car and talked about it – he is absolutely right, this is a well-known topic: unfortunately, we have something to work on here. The world leader, or number one, is currently South Korea: they have a thousand robots working for 10 thousand. And we have 10 robots per thousand working. Absolutely, there is something to work on.

We've also watched a new factory for the production of Russian robots being built here, right next to you, just a ten-minute drive away. How much do you plan to produce in the near future? Produce per year?

Cue: 450 this year.

Vladimir Putin: 450 this year, and they are going to increase and increase it. But this is not the only platform in Russia where this work is being carried out. Of course, we will do this.

You ask, in what framework, do we have any special programs? There is. We have a program called that: "Production of means of production".

This is something that we should have paid attention to for a long time, but we were counting on the fact that we, selling oil and gas, coal and metal billets, will receive all high-tech products for this money somewhere "over the hill". But there was a need – it turned out that there is also the possibility to produce everything yourself. Well, not everything, but what you need. You can develop your own technological keys. We will continue to do so.

So there are such programs, I have named only one of them, but it is not the only one. We will definitely work perfectly. And concrete examples, they are available right here, ten minutes away.

P. Baglay: Thank you.

Vladimir Putin: Please.

Alexey Vertyankin: Mr President, good afternoon!

My name is Alexey Vertyankin, I work as the chief designer at this plant. First of all, on behalf of our entire team, let me welcome you to the territory of the Transneft Oil Pumps plant. I would like to take this opportunity to ask you the following question.

In schools in the Soviet Union, the practice of teaching high school students in educational and production complexes, the so-called CPC, was actively practiced. There, students could get acquainted with various professions, choose something suitable for themselves, try themselves and then determine their own development vector.: who they want to work for, choose the appropriate educational institution and develop.

Perhaps today it would be right to resume these classes in the Code of Criminal Procedure, as they have now resumed classes in labor and drawing? Perhaps this will help to attract and interest young people to work in the industrial sector and thereby avoid a shortage of highly qualified specialists in the future.

Vladimir Putin: I have just said that we need early career guidance. What you have said is really a positive experience since the Soviet Union. But in my opinion, we have been promoting the program since 2018 – the" Window to the Future " is called.

Starting this year, we are intensifying this work and in all schools – I think we have 38 thousand of them-we are starting work on early career guidance for students from the 6th to the 11th grade. The goal is for approximately 47-48, under 50 percent of students of this age - from the 6th to the 11th grade - to be given such preliminary work on early career guidance.

I very much hope that they will come to enterprises, get acquainted with these enterprises, including those like your company, and with others, so that they can look at and choose their future in the profession, because this is generally one of the key issues of life. To be a successful, happy person, you need to find yourself in the profession.

And of course, we are working-I have just said what we have done, what we will do now-and, I repeat, this should cover all 38,000 schools in the Russian Federation, but we will gradually increase it. Because it's probably difficult to do all this right away – just click to include all schools and all students in this work. But in the near future, up to at least 50 percent, 47 percent [of schoolchildren], which is more than eight million people, we will carry out this work on this scale.

Alexander Vertyankin: Thank you.

Igor Baryshev: Hello, Mr President!

My name is Ivan Baryshev, I am a fourth-year student of the Power Engineering Department of South Ural State University…

Vladimir Putin: I'm sorry.

You know, yesterday I was at the enterprises here, side by side, in Yekaterinburg, and in Nizhny Tagil, one girl says: we have a good museum of the enterprise, it is located outside the perimeter of the enterprise itself, and children from school even come.

There can be many forms of early career guidance. You just need to be creative and use all these areas. This is also one of the forms of early career guidance – these museums and other sites of this kind, which labor collectives are proud of. We need to develop them and attract young people. You can think of a lot of things here. The main thing is that those who are interested in solving this problem should think about it.

Please excuse me.

Igor Baryshev: That's okay.

My name is Ivan Baryshev, I am a fourth-year student of the Power Engineering Department of South Ural State University.

I would like to thank you for the state project to create advanced engineering schools. We also have one in Chelyabinsk called "Heart of the Urals". Our school is focused on engine building for special equipment. This is very important for our region, because our tractor plant in Chelyabinsk produces power plants for military armored vehicles. I myself am a member of the Tankograd Youth Design Bureau, which is also part of our advanced engineering school.

I know that the project of advanced engineering schools is supported until 2026. Here I will probably have more than a question, but a request: could you consider government support for the project of advanced engineering schools up to 2030? Of course, if possible.

Vladimir Putin: It is possible and necessary. This is a very good project. In my opinion, we first selected 30 such sites, created 30 such sites, and then added 20 more-we got 50 promising advanced engineering schools.

Approximately 160 of our major innovative enterprises are currently involved in this work. We expect that in 2024, 2025, and 2026-the decision has already been made to extend it until 2026 – at least 250 of our large, good, high – tech production facilities will take part in this work. The total amount of co-financing will be somewhere in the region of 60 billion rubles, which is a decent amount of money for these sites that I mentioned.

You are absolutely right, it is in demand. As a matter of fact, we started with this – with the fact that personnel are needed, and not just simply, but highly qualified. The head of the enterprise scored 14 thousand, and immediately faced the fact that people need to be trained. And thank God, their system is being built. But it is absolutely certain that we must work in this area broadly and specifically, understanding where and what is in demand today and what will be in demand tomorrow.

By the way, we have decided to forecast the labor market for the coming years – for at least five years – and adjust our work in connection with this forecast. This is an extremely important thing not to slap people with some kind of "crust" about the same higher or secondary special education, who then do not know where to get a job, but to have a connection with production-with an understanding of how this labor market will develop in the coming years, and based on We need to act in this extremely important area.

I said: 250 enterprises will be attracted, co-financing – 60 billion. But all this should be aimed at the final result. And the end result is an increase in labor productivity and compliance with the needs that exist in the economy on the labor market. Engineering schools, as you said, student engineering schools are also one of the forms of work in this area. We will definitely support you completely and extend the program.

Igor Baryshev: Thank you.

A. Akhmadulina: Hello, Vladimir Vladimirovich!

My name is Amina Akhmadulina, a fourth-year law student at the South Ural State University.

I am engaged in such a sport as chess boxing.

Vladimir Putin: A chess box?

A. Akhmadulina: Yes, that's right. This is a hybrid sport in which competitors compete in alternating rounds of chess and boxing.

Vladimir Putin: Do you also do boxing?

A. Akhmadulina: Yes, of course.

I am the first chess boxing world champion from Russia. That is, this sport requires a high level of development of both intellectual and physical skills. Last year, on the basis of South Ural State University, with the support of Konar, the world's first student chess center called "Shah and Round" was created. At the opening of the center, Valery Vyacheslavovich [Bondarenko] told us that, as a student, he was engaged in boxing and this helped him become a good engineer and plant director.

I think that if all the country's factories actively participated in creating new spaces for the development of student sports, this would have a positive impact, first, on the health of our country, and secondly, on the education of new champions. I ask you to draw their attention to the development of student sports at the meeting with businesses.

Vladimir Putin: Indeed, these skills and psychological characteristics that arise in the course of martial arts classes, and in life, probably also help to achieve concrete success, because fighting qualities are needed in order to go forward.

Chess box, right? Interesting. When we see: a person is sitting in chess playing, playing, sorry, he has something-once! - twirling, go to the ring-boom! "and everything fell into place. Or vice versa: when something flew off somewhere in the ring, then I sat down to play chess – everything was lined up as it should be in my head. But in any case, it's interesting.

We will now have a comprehensive large-scale sports event in Kazan just for sports that young people are actively interested in. These sports are developing all over the world, they combine both traditional sports and innovative ones. But here chess and boxing are both traditional sports, but, of course, their combination is interesting.

One of the areas of activity that the state is developing in this area is to create conditions for young people and students to engage in technical and scientific creativity, so that they can study in their chosen specialty, play sports, and do art, all of which could take place in a complex, such as creating campuses.

I've said it many times, and you may have heard about it: 25 modern campuses all over the Russian Federation. 17 projects have already been selected, and we will continue this work in the near future. And everything should be combined there, harmonized and offered to young people, so that they can use it all.

But not only for these higher education institutions themselves. This is planned and planned in such a way that people who live, let's say, in the ROC at the GE of this campus – also in compliance with the requirements and safety rules, of course, all this can be done with modern means – can enjoy these advantages that should obviously arise on these campuses.

There are other ways to support innovative sports or such unusual ones, as you said, and sports in general. We also have a whole program of state support for student sports. We will continue to do this, of course. And if you want to encourage our enterprises that are interested in getting well-trained specialists, of course, this is easier than giving money from the budget. So, of course, we will encourage them.

Moreover, you know, as I think you can also see, and I have already started with this, our companies that have faced certain problems and restrictions, sanctions, and so on, but at the same time, having received a market for their products within their own country, which has been freed from a significant number of Western brands, they are of course, we are interested in ensuring that the work on all components, including personnel, goes on in the best possible way. They are not greedy, businesses invest in this work. But we will also talk about this topic with them, so that not only in education, but also in pastime, in sports, they also invest more. I'm sure it will.

A. Akhmadulina: Thank you.

Vladimir Putin: Yes, please.

Mikhail Kasyanov: Hello, Mr President!

My name is Maxim Kasyanov. I am an employee of the Chelyabinsk Forging and Pressing Plant, as well as a student of the South Ural State University.

Vladimir Putin: You're a part-time student, aren't you?

Mikhail Kasyanov: Yes, to combine work and study.

Such a question. Now enterprises are recruiting personnel, including people who have received citizenship under the program of resettlement of compatriots. How will they be awarded a pension if they have experience abroad in the Russian Federation?

Vladimir Putin: How old are you?

M. Kasyanov: 21.

Vladimir Putin: Well done! A promising employee, because he thinks at least 30 years ahead. Great.

Maxim, we had a certain agreement with the CIS countries. Then Russia denounced them due to the fact that the situation has changed dramatically since 1991.

But we have practically settled relations with all our main partners, signed bilateral agreements, except, in my opinion, three countries: Uzbekistan, Ukraine and Turkmenistan. But there are also uniform rules for citizens of these countries, namely: if these citizens permanently reside on the territory of the Russian Federation, have or have acquired either Russian citizenship or a residence permit, then the general rule applies, as for citizens of the Russian Federation. You need 15 years of experience, you need a certain age, or the person has received a disability, or the loss of the breadwinner has occurred, then there are circumstances under which the person has the right to receive an insurance pension.

But there are no signed and elaborated intergovernmental agreements with these countries that I have mentioned, but there is a rule that I have also outlined now, as for citizens of the Russian Federation, in fact. But everything is settled with all other states.

What country did you move from?

Mikhail Kasyanov: I'm a local from here.

Vladimir Putin: Ah, the local one. What's bothering you so much, I don't even understand? Or do you have a girlfriend who may have moved and you are already thinking about her retirement?

Mikhail Kasyanov: No, the company has collectively prepared the question.

Vladimir Putin: In general, in this way. In my opinion, he practically told me everything.

There is another factor that is extremely important for us both from a social and domestic political point of view – the situation of people living in the territories of the Luhansk People's Republic, Donetsk People's Republic, Zaporizhia and Kherson regions. It is necessary to regulate everything that concerns their pension rights, and now this work is being carried out by the State Duma as well. I hope that it will be completed as soon as possible. These decisions will not be easy, but we have already done this in Crimea. It will also be necessary to count the length of service that people received while working in the territories when they were part of Ukraine. But this is a special issue, and I don't see any big difficulties in solving it.

Mikhail Kasyanov: Thank you very much.

Vladimir Putin: Please.

Alexander Lupu: Hello, Mr President!

My name is Andrey Lupu, I am a student of the South Ural State University Higher School of Electronics and Computer Science. I am currently in the second year of my Master's degree in Instrument Engineering and plan to continue my postgraduate studies.

Collectively, we talk and communicate with students, and now the question arises about further continuation: still go to graduate school or go to the enterprise directly to work?

Earlier, at one time, the Soviet Union had so-called research institutes that did small-scale production, that is, from the beginning of development to the stage of certification and small-scale mass production, which was then integrated into the business.

As a suggestion: consider the possibility of creating scientific and industrial associations that would deal with this and already develop precisely the potential of the future.

Vladimir Putin: I think that's what we're trying to do. We talked about advanced engineering schools, and that's where this is happening. We will expand this practice, as I have already said.

And how to combine this with graduate school? I don't know, I need to think about it. But postgraduate studies are primarily designed to attract people who are inclined to research, to research activities, and who are inclined to scientific activities. You can probably combine this with production, especially since, as a rule, if we are dealing with applied science, then it is designed for use in production.

We need to look at this, calculate it, and maybe even make some adjustments to the future activities of graduate students. When it comes to basic science, it's one thing, but when it comes to applied science, it's another. There, communication with production should be provided. So we will do it.

A. Lupu: Thank you very much.

Vladimir Putin: Please.

Dmitry Vildanov: Hello, dear Vladimir Vladimirovich!

My name is Denis Vildanov, I am a fourth-year student of the Miass Engineering College, and also a mechanic of mechanical assembly works at the Ural Automobile Plant. I am a native of Miass. Miass is a small town, but with a very developed industry.

Vladimir Putin: How many kilometers are there from here?

Dmitry Vildanov: 100 kilometers away. By the way, it is similar to Nizhny Tagil, which you recently visited. We have two major city-forming enterprises: our automobile plant "Ural" and the State Rocket Center named after Makeev.

So, Miass lags far behind in terms of infrastructure development from the same Chelyabinsk and similar large cities. I would like to draw your attention to the fact that such small industrial cities as Miass, Nizhny Tagil and others like them really grow and develop.

I would like to ask you: is it possible to allocate some kind of support for the development of such promising cities? Because I want not only to work in an interesting way, but also to really live in such cities.

Thank you, Vladimir Vladimirovich.

Vladimir Putin: How many residents do you have in Miass?

Dmitry Vildanov: 160,000 people.

Vladimir Putin: In Nizhny Tagil, in my opinion, 300 thousand – twice as much. We have made two programs for the development of Nizhny Tagil. In 2013, one program began to be implemented, and then, a few years ago, we made another program in connection with the preparation for the 300th anniversary of the city. Yesterday I met with employees of the plant at the enterprise – they told me that they really see the changes that are taking place in their city. And thank God, although I think that's not enough. The people there are quite modest – they didn't ask big questions during the conversation, but I know that there is still a need to make additional, rather big efforts for the development of this city.

Miass deserves no less attention not only because such large and important enterprises for the country's economy are located there, as you mentioned, but also because 160 thousand people live there. We have a program for the development of small and medium-sized cities, I have already mentioned this in passing. We will replicate this program-this is 100 percent. And Miass, of course, must get into it.

Just now, you talked about making the work of, say, medical workers more attractive in small and medium-sized cities, in rural areas, but here the city is a big one, 150 thousand, especially an industrial city. We'll talk to the governor.

But there is a current program that is aimed at improving the territories. And people are involved, by the way, in the implementation of these programs. It is going very well in our country as a whole. We are talking about small settlements, historical cities. Miass, in my opinion, is also a recipient of these funds. In the last five years, I think we've received about 500 million rubles, right?

Alexander Teksler: Yes, Mr Putin.

Vladimir Putin: Since 2019. In 2019, 2020, 2021, 2022, 2023, in my opinion, we received half a billion rubles.

A. Teksler: Yes, it is. Miass won the competition for the development of small towns, which was held last year, with a very interesting project for the development of the embankment. And the region will add serious funds to the project itself – up to half a billion rubles. The embankment is a large cultural space, there are sports facilities nearby. So we have a whole program, there is a new mayor, who was recently elected, just last year. Accordingly, we have developed a program with him, and we will continue to develop the city.

Vladimir Putin: And there will be appropriate funding, somewhere under 230-240 million rubles. We talked about this.

Dmitry Vildanov: Thank you very much, Mr President.

Vladimir Putin: Please.

Vladimir Bobrovskaya: Good afternoon, Mr President.

My name is Valeria Bobrovskaya, I am a design engineer of this industrial site. I have such a question.

Vladimir Putin: So this is what you designed?

V. Bobrovskaya: No.

When I was little, my parents prepared me to grow up and become an engineer. And so it happened. Now I have a five-year-old daughter growing up myself, and I would like to know where to send the child. What specialties will be relevant in 10-20 years? Thanks

Vladimir Putin: Look, I just said about 15-20 minutes ago that we set ourselves the task of constantly updating the labor market for the next three to five years. This is constantly changing. Just now we were talking about robotics. Everyone knows about artificial intelligence, big data, genetics, and many other areas.

You know, you are a young mother, you have a small child. It is necessary, in my opinion, to help the child navigate in a huge space and in a huge flow of information. There are modern methods that allow adults and parents to identify the abilities of children, identify their inclinations to a certain type of activity and then help the child navigate in this endless space and endless flow of information. This is not an easy job, it is no less difficult work than industrial design.

I want to wish you success, but I don't even want to try to give you any advice, you should do it yourself together with your loved ones-with your grandparents, with your husband. You just need to promote the multifaceted development of a little person, create a full-fledged personality out of him and help him make this choice himself.

V. Bobrovskaya: We will try our best. Thank you very much.

Vladimir Putin: There are methods for identifying talents in young children. These methods are also being developed quite vigorously abroad, and they are becoming more and more popular in our country. This Sirius platform, which is already well-known in the country, works with gifted children from all over the country, and they have a separate job – identifying the child's cognitive abilities. Look at the techniques and they will tell you something.

Evgeny Klyuchnikov: Hello, Mr Putin.

My name is Evgeny Klyuchnikov. I represent the Chelyabinsk plant of urban electric transport, head of the shop. We, SINARA-City Machines, manufacture trolleybuses.

Vladimir Putin: I saw it yesterday. Super, this technique is beautiful. Just amazing. I congratulate you, it's great.

Evgeny Klyuchnikov: On behalf of the whole team, we would like you to visit our site, see the production processes, how we started from scratch (metal comes in and trolleybus leaves), and see the whole thing.

Vladimir Putin: I saw the end result, it's already great. How it all happens in the process, from zero to this product, so beautiful and necessary. Well, I'll try. Thank you very much.

Evgeny Klyuchnikov: And yesterday I had a question at this point: "Have you ever been behind the wheel of a trolleybus?" It happened yesterday. Today I had to correct the question a little. What do you think is the relevance of industrial tourism?

Vladimir Putin: Yes, it's very interesting.

Yevgeny Klyuchnikov: In our country and, perhaps, in our own country,…

Vladimir Putin: Yes, yes, yes. It is very interesting and useful, this is industrial tourism, very interesting, especially for young people, as we said at the beginning of the conversation, in order to help people navigate their future profession in time. Very interesting.

You know, when you look – we watched robots made in Russia today-you look at how production has developed here, and Valery showed us, from scratch, just the destroyed sites, the destroyed ones, and then the pictures of today. Look, this is impressive.

For any person, if he is engaged in some kind of creative work, it seems to me that this is the greatest satisfaction in life-to see the results of his work. You have it, your company has it, and the people who work there have it.

I looked at this toy trolleybus yesterday. But this does not mean that you can and should calm down on this, not at all. Why? Because there is something to work on. It looks good, the driver's seat is perfectly made, convenient for passengers. Moreover, it can not just go along the power line, but where necessary, it can move, using batteries, from one section of traffic to another section. But you need to work on the batteries.

E. Klyuchnikov: I agree.

Vladimir Putin: We need to work on batteries. There is a lot to work on.

Evgeny Klyuchnikov: Pilot production is also being organized at our site, and we will produce electric buses.

Thank you to our wonderful governor. Exactly one year ago, we opened, started from scratch and reached mass production.

Vladimir Putin: Yes, that's great. I was told yesterday simply. Very pleasant.

Evgeny Klyuchnikov: Thank you very much.

Vladimir Putin: Golden hands. Those who left our market lost this market. Just some bullshit.

But this is a chance. For people like you. For those who work with you, this is a challenge. And for a Russian, a Russian person, when he comes across, in general, any ethnic group, any nationality, it seems to me that we have such a common feature. We have a lot in common, regardless of what is written in the passport, or they don't write in the passport now, but regardless of who a person considers himself by nationality, there are common features. Why? Because we have been living in the same cultural space for thousands of years, there is an exchange of not only genetic properties, but also intellectual and cultural ones.

What am I talking about? That when our people face some challenges and difficulties, the mechanisms that may be dormant in a normal, calm life are immediately activated, and the desire to overcome these difficulties begins.

What happened? Some brands are gone. Many thanks to them, they also created teams, somewhere they worked appropriately on the production culture, and so on and so forth. But our people pick up instantly and move on.

Now the head of the company where we are located showed his products. I say, " How's it going?" He says, " How's it going? They don't have that." We have also made progress in terms of product quality and many other components. And so on in so many ways.

And you can do it, but you need to work on the batteries.

Please, please.

Ya. Nevsky: Hello, dear Vladimir Vladimirovich!

My name is Yaroslav Nevsky. I am a third-year student at South Ural State University, majoring in "Design and Production of missiles and missile systems". This specialty is very relevant and important for our state at the present time and in principle.

Vladimir Vladimirovich, this is a question. During our training, we face a problem when choosing a production site for practical training. The fact is that in the Chelyabinsk region, the Makeev State Rocket Center in Miass is a specialized production facility. Accordingly, when choosing, when traveling to other regions, there is such a problem as the rejection of many companies due to the huge availability of students from their institutes. And the question is, is it possible to somehow… I'm worried.

Vladimir Putin: Take your time. We're in no hurry.

Ya. Nevsky: To help or assist in solving this issue in some way.

Vladimir Putin: What is it?

Ya. Nevsky: So that you can get an internship at an enterprise not only in your region. For example, my classmate Olya, who is sitting to my left, wanted to go to the RSC Energia in Moscow or to the Cosmonaut Training Center. But, unfortunately, because of the huge number of students who are in the Moscow and Central regions, most of them are rejected.

Vladimir Putin: You know, these companies, these centers that you mentioned, are looking for their future employees and young professionals. But what I can do for sure is I can suggest to these companies that you mentioned that they should make the network of this search wider and work with young specialists, future young specialists, from more educational institutions of an interesting and necessary profile for them. I will definitely talk to them.

And as for your practice itself, where would you like to take it specifically?

Y. Nevsky: Either, as I mentioned, RSC Energia, or the Cosmonaut Training Center.

Vladimir Putin: Fine. Since I can't meet all of them at once, and we saw you today, we'll do it. I don't see any problems.

Y. Nevsky: Thank you very much, Vladimir Vladimirovich!

Vladimir Putin: Are you in your third year?

Y. Nevsky: Yes, the third one.

Vladimir Putin: What's your specialty?

Ya. Nevsky: "Design and production of missiles and missile systems", specialty.

Vladimir Putin: So you probably have something to do with the Training Center?

Y. Nevsky: Then RSC Energia, it turns out.

Vladimir Putin: RSC Energia then, of course. Okay. Fine.

Denis, okay? Take it, please. Thank you very much.

You are welcome. Come on, come up with a final question from your head. Let's.

Please give me a microphone.

Remark: Mr President, given that we have a lot of young professionals here, and we probably have a lot of young people around us, I would like to hear some wise advice and life guidance for a young graduate.

Thanks

Vladimir Putin: You know, there are so many parting words in our classical literature that there is no substitute for them, and it is difficult to offer them right away.

Remember the famous words: seek, fight, don't give up? But nowadays it is associated with a large number of challenges. First, you need to find something that you can do with love and get satisfaction from the results of your work (since we are in the company, I will talk about this part first of all), and this, in my opinion, depends on the success of each person, to a large extent on this. Because the feeling of pride for what you have done, the feeling of euphoria even from the results of your work, occurs only when a person does what he likes to do. This is the main parameter, the basis for any person.

But, of course, all this should be connected with personal life, it should be connected with the realization of oneself in the family, with the upbringing of children. As a young mother just said, she thinks about her child. I'm sure her life changed dramatically after she had a daughter, right? Just dramatically.

And all this in a complex-and the profession, and personal life, and care for their parents, grandparents, grandparents - all this can not develop sustainably without the foundation that was built by our predecessors, our ancestors, our parents. And this is the foundation of our culture and moral values, which we call our traditional values. This is due to respect for our country, respect for our history.

Only in this case, all this together will give a positive result for each person and for the country as a whole.

Replica: Thank you so much.

Vladimir Putin: Thank you for your question.

E. Klyuchnikov: I have a social one. I am a father with many children, I have three children, three sons. This status ended when my eldest child reached the age of 18. Then they sort of said that who is studying on a budget (he is studying at SUSU with me)…

Vladimir Putin: Under 23 years old.

E. Klyuchnikov: Until 23. Why can't you do it…

Vladimir Putin: Right up to retirement. (Laughter.)

Evgeny Klyuchnikov: No, five and a half years, until graduation.

Vladimir Putin: The boxers laughed. (Laughter.)

Once again, not until retirement, but until what age?

E. Klyuchnikov: Why can't you do it before graduation? He's been studying for five and a half years.

Vladimir Putin: And so it is done, until the end of the university. Why at 23? Because at the age of 23, everyone is already graduating from university, this is meant.

Evgeny Klyuchnikov: I understand, thank you.

Vladimir Putin: What course is he in?

E. Klyuchnikov: On the fourth floor.

Vladimir Putin: Well, that's it, he's finishing up soon.

Evgeny Klyuchnikov: Another year and a half.

Vladimir Putin: It's all right, you fall into this category of people who should receive appropriate support.

Evgeny Klyuchnikov: That's all, thank you.

Vladimir Putin: Yes, please.

Dmitry Polukhin: Hello, Mr President!

I am Dmitry Polukhin, chief specialist for testing and research of materials at this site.

Vladimir Putin: There is only one boss here – the chief specialist, the chief engineer.

D. Polukhin: We are growing together with this platform.

Vladimir Putin: It's clear. Great.

Dmitry Polukhin: I've known you for 20 years, and I always wanted to ask you a question, but after these 20 years, of course, the questions changed. Then I found the answer to some of the questions on my own.

Emotionally, of course, I join in the beginning of our conversation, that it is rare for you to visit any site twice, and this is the second time in such a short period of time.

My question is somewhat summarizing what we talked about, about education.

There are such terms as "labor productivity", "energy saving", "resource saving". In Soviet practice, there was such a discipline as "Scientific organization of labor". The founder of this was Taylor, then Soviet scientists actively revealed all this, and then, over the years, in Japanese, for example, technologies, at Toyota, we all read it perfectly.

At the same time, speaking about education, I graduated from the specialty in 2010, and this was not mentioned. In other words, given that we are now taking on such a challenge in the current reality, it is probably necessary that educational programs, at least in engineering and technical specialties, contain this direction without fail.

Because graduates often come in and say these phrases: "We've been doing this for 100 years, so why change anything now?" - or: "If it works, don't touch it" – this is not an appropriate position for the current time.

Vladimir Putin: Of course, we did it 100 years ago, but don't touch it. We will continue to live as we did 100 years ago. I fully share what you just said.

But the type of activity and specialization that you have just mentioned, it seems that it should first of all be the subject of study for managers who organize production. You have just mentioned the specialists who organize the company's work in Japan. It's not just done in Japan, it's done all over the world.

You know what? I would like the person on your right to join in our conversation. Andrey, please tell us how you organize your work. Just now you were telling me how you organize your work horizontally, how you organize your work on the organization of production. I just want a colleague to comment on this.

A. Hartung: Good afternoon!

You can't put it in two words. In general, we have not invented any bicycle, there are established practices for the development of the production system, which are the Federal Competence Center, the federal labor productivity project about the same thing…

Vladimir Putin: No, no, how do you organize the work of various production units? You said: we had colleagues, they left, and we upgraded even what they offered for organizing production.

A. Hartung: First of all, we combine the technologies of lean production that exist, and the established standard methods of labor productivity at the same time with modern methods that allow us to collect data and analyze data on the current parameters of the production process, where this future data, used with good analytics, makes it possible to correctly determine where the problem lies. And already, using lean production methods, this problem can be solved.

In order to scale this process, since we have built many new workshops, we train people. All large enterprises probably have a directorate for the development of the production system, and we have, we train managers there to apply these methods.

And one last thing. We had an interesting experience when we attracted specialists from departed enterprises and foreign concerns, but they left the most valuable thing here – the qualified Russian people they trained. And there we have guys from Toyota working there, from other companies, and this helps us expand a lot.

Thanks

Vladimir Putin: Yes, but what's the idea? I'll try to help Andrey. The idea is to organize the work of workshops, the entire enterprise, and individual sections in such a way that they interact optimally with each other, so that there is no loss of working time, no loss of material resources, and so on and so forth. And so that they are joined, included in the puzzle, as they say, at every stage of their work.

But this is not an easy type of activity, it is not easy to organize. But in general, it is being done all over the world, and we are already doing it here, and we will do everything possible to improve and encourage those who are improving this work, because this greatly increases the very productivity that you mentioned, which is at the heart of our entire policy. In order for our industry, our economy as a whole, to be competitive.

Let's finish it, probably.

Please, please, please.

Olga Melnikova: Hello, Mr President!

I don't even have a question, just a big thank you. Because if we compare the situation, say, 10-15 years ago and now, with engineers, it has changed dramatically. We even found out while we were just waiting for you here. And the teachers also tell us the same thing. We were just talking about scholarships and the names of companies. Personally, I was at the Ural Civil Aviation Plant this summer, and I'm already here, after the second year. Thank you very much.

And scholarships really help to develop not only in science, I also do dance, and it all turns out to be combined thanks to scholarships that really give students the opportunity not only to study…

Vladimir Putin: We are also going to increase the Government scholarship and the Presidential one significantly.

Olga Melnikova: That too. And the scholarship is really good if you work. Not about work that is outside of school, but rather together with study, that is, scientific articles, various cultural achievements, sports-all this goes to the scholarship, and this really helps to develop.

Vladimir Putin: We have another form of activity, combining the interests of science and production, when large companies choose young people and send them to study themselves, paying for their studies and paying scholarships. And this is good for the relevant industries, for companies, because they know who they will train. This is also good for young professionals, because they will have a good, highly qualified job in accordance with the education they receive in the future. So we will definitely develop this direction as well.

What kind of dances do you do?

O. Melnikova: Popular ones.

Vladimir Putin: Excellent. Is there an ensemble at your university?

Olga Melnikova: Yes, it's called the Ural Expanse.

Vladimir Putin: Great, great. Who is engaged in boxing, who is engaged in folk dances. Great.

How many of you are there? Both boys and girls go, right?

Olga Melnikova: A little more than ten people, one guy and all the girls.

Vladimir Putin: I was lucky. Well done.

Olga Melnikova: I would also like to mention that if I didn't have such a passion for rocket and space technology, then of course I would go... UZGA offers such conditions, this is the Ural Civil Aviation Plant, that I really want to go to them.

And the fact that you just mentioned that they take students, their program is very good, I really like it. I would have gone to them.

Vladimir Putin: It is very cool when a person develops harmoniously, is engaged in aviation, rocket technology and dancing, art.

What's your daughter's name?

V. Bobrovskaya: Milan.

Vladimir Putin: With Milana in this direction, go deeper and deeper, and she will be a happy girl.

I want to say thank you for this conversation. I hope that it was useful and interesting for you too. That's for sure for me. Thank you very much.

I would like to wish success to you, your colleagues, students and employees of the companies you represent.

Thank you very much. Good luck.

Olga Lyubetskaya: Mr President, we would also like to wish you success and strength in your difficult work. Please take care of yourself and for us too.

See you again, I hope. All the best!

Vladimir Putin: Thank you. I wish you all good health, too. Good luck.

We all know some more now. And the EU just voted to extend the sanctions for another year. Chelyabinsk region modernizing and developing all for the interests of the people. Promote people so they can be the best they can be. What a concept! And what about the other values that were mentioned in the discussion? Note the two references to Soviet methods. See any similarities?

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