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james's avatar

thanks karl..

lavrov is very clear on the central importance of the UN, and how others are trying to subvert or destroy it... this quote from you - "The UN/Yalta/Potsdam system isn’t at fault here; it’s the nations that determined they weren’t going to obey the new system that have made it appear to be dysfunctional. " is so true... i wish more people in the west can recognize and acknowledge this very fact..

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WTFUD's avatar

You most likely have noticed that Europe now resembles Stasi-Germany.

Romania for example when joining the EU in 2007 received bonus points for never having deserted the Nazi-doctrine (should've been a tell ) and alongside the Baltic tadpoles will curse Victory Day.

Over the last decade in particular, what you can watch, listen to or read is heavily restricted.

4 of 5 of my go to forums/sites, one by one, gone and the mug that I am still paying over the odds for a heavily edited integrated upgraded wireless free 5/6G Happy Spree Netflix Free Deluxe Package.

Sorry We Can't Reach This Page! Just gimme the page, I want the fracking page. Why fracking not? Let me speak with the manager. Sorry you'll have to call back later, he's doing the dishes.

Probably ways around this, VPN's & Stuff but seems like a lot of kerfuffle to someone not so tech savvy like me. Even this smart-ass-phone is feeding my particulars to none of their business, get the hell out of my life. So any further new tech is paranoia anathema.

Point of Contention - No one told me that Scandinavians are just Germans with their heads kicked in.

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Karl Sanchez's avatar

You'll need to run that last point by Acco.

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WTFUD's avatar

Growing up I'd look on enviously at those Happiest People On The Planet Tables where Scandinavians filled the top spots. No one told me they were mentally challenged. Having adopted for decades quite successfully seemingly neutral postures, it's beyond comprehension that a sober Parliament would back a losing enterprise hurtling towards its final death throws, NATO that is.

Still on a happier note we should recognise their one claim to fame, bar their early cooperative animal husbandry successes, namely a 4 piece 2 chord band, a palindrome using only the first two letters of the English alphabet. Got it?

I was sick and tired of everything

When you called me last night from Bakhmut

Baaaakmuuuut

But I don't feel blue

No, I'm as giddy as a crypto Jew.

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uncle tungsten's avatar

Oh dear. likely no one told you that because it might not be verifiable. In my zone of the global capitalist prison I am still able to discuss these things with deepseek. So I did and deepseek tells me lots but here is a little:

"Scandinavia was one of the last regions in Europe to be inhabited after the last Ice Age (around 12,000 years ago). The first settlers were hunter-gatherers who arrived via two main routes:

From the Southwest (Europe): Groups migrating from modern-day Denmark and Germany moved northward along Norway’s coast, bringing tools and technologies similar to those found in central Europe 78.

From the Northeast (Russia/Eurasia): Another wave came from the east, likely via northern Finland and Norway, carrying distinct stone tools linked to eastern European cultures 78.

DNA analysis of 9,500–6,000-year-old skeletons confirms these dual origins, showing genetic links to both western European and Siberian populations"

So I guess while the southern lads were kicking heads those pesky (now Russians) easterners were busy fornicating. Voila we end up with a decent society that has only just now run off the rails. I suggest it will be a momentary glitch and the wisdom of Siberia will shine through again.

deepseek then goes on to advise: "From the 8th–11th centuries, Scandinavians (Vikings) expanded across Europe, settling in places like Normandy, the British Isles, and Russia. Genetic studies show these groups mixed with local populations, further diversifying their ancestry"

So I live in hope that they repeat that exercise and go fuck the englanders over one more time. But then my folk come from that stock being Yorkshire, Irish and I guess Scandinavian :))

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WTFUD's avatar

Yes I have been reading about the Wends (Sorbs) and their heroic fight to ward off the Holy Spectre of Rome. Fascinating stuff that a boat load got as far as Texas.

The more you learn the less you realise you know.

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Acco Hengst's avatar

The Scandinavians only have runen sign in common with the Germans as well as blond hair, blue eyes and being tall. Danishes vikings settled the coast of Northern and western Europe all the way down to Normandie. Norman's, ring a bell?

I am a descendant from around the early 12th century Viking occupation of the Northern Netherlands. The Northern Germans are no different. The ancestral language usFrusian, close to Middle English and pronounced a lot like Swedish, with some words in common. Normandie Danish are quite different.

The Germans have a different tribal origin. The Dutch descended from Germans coming down the Rhine and the French (Gallia) down the Meuse. The Rotterdam estuary was their first settlement.

Dutch is considered a version of Plattdeutsch.

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WTFUD's avatar

All very interesting Acco, however, you can't escape the fact that Scandinavia in general, has, like much of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, run head first into a cauldron of their own volition. That is backed a donkey, a losing Entity on its hind/last legs.

Wouldn't it have made more sense to mind your own business or was the decision made for the Region by your illustrious non-representative Representation?

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Acco Hengst's avatar

Thanks again, young man.

The Outlaw Empire has a lot g way to go. In the short run, I don't mind leveraging US Nr. 1, to cut the EU, UK and next the NATO ties. It is a big ship, hard to stop and slow to turn around.

I think that lambasting the Europeans for taking advantage of the US is a good meme because it can be used to start turning the ship.

Without memes suitable for mass consumption, no change. The neocon GOP should be the first in getting the ship to heel over.

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J M Hatch's avatar

Equality is a characteristic Americans are taught to abhor, it goes against the nature of any settler colonial state. Just compare the difference between socialism for all people in Russia's medical and education system vs. the griping and moaning about "native Americans" being allowed to compete in the casino business from the worst lands that were "given" to them as reservations.

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J C's avatar

He is correct.

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Karl Sanchez's avatar

He wasn’t a saint. He cheated on his wife and probably committed many other sins when he was younger. Ask yourself if FDR would’ve okayed the atomic bombing of Japan.

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uncle tungsten's avatar

Henry Wallace was the man, mind and motivation to see so much of that reform implemented. Truman and the scumstate hated him. Last of the lefties afaik but I am not a usa resident or historian.

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Karl Sanchez's avatar

He began as a Republican of the Social Gospel variety. The journal of his travels to Russia and China during the war before his 1944 op/ed on American Fascism can be freely downloaded here, https://archive.org/details/henry-wallace-Soviet-Asia-trip

He was head of the Dept. of Agriculture when the AAA was legislated. The Wallaces of Iowa were a rather powerful clan prior to WW2.

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Crush Limbraw's avatar

FDR seemed to have no problem with sacrificing a few thousand American sailors to get Americans

into the war - https://crushlimbraw.blogspot.com/search?q=FDR+Pearl+Harbor&updated-max=2023-02-05T09:50:00-08:00&max-results=20&by-date=true&m=1 - 4 years before Hiroshima.

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J C's avatar

I would have to disagree on any point that defines the Democrats as Marxist. The US is radically phobic against anything communist or socialist, except for the perks of the elite predators. There are zero socialist democrats. Bernie Sanders and AOC are NOT.

Cadillac healthcare (socialist) for the elite government hacks, insider trading, etc. They get it all. tRump is a sad symptom of the total rot and corruption. Very sad for our children.

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Denis's avatar

Lavrov is so in love with his UN Charter.

I find it amusing that the more you look at the differences between East and West, the more you realize they are the same. lol

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Karl Sanchez's avatar

It’s not his; it’s the world’s.

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WTFUD's avatar

Uh, they're literally polar opposites

The West condones genocide for starters.

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J C's avatar

Sadly, yes. American here. We are witnessing the unraveling. I was born in 1948.

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Denis's avatar

lol

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