Lavrov pulls out a verbal hammer at the end of his remarks at the second day of special UNSC hearings on Ukraine with today’s about the situation in West Asia and Palestine in particular.
thanks karl... it ain't working.. no amount of words thrown at all this is changing anything.. by deeds we know the nature of others... not by words...
As has been said often by the resistance, the situation will be resolved on the battlefield.
That said, it's good to see Russia laying down the law in this regard. Words do matter, insofar as they reflect policy, and as they underlie newly developing policy, and as they open up future possibilities for policy.
We know Russia: enough bouts of this kind of wordplay can well lay the groundwork for (an invited) humanitarian, military intervention by a coalition from the global south. Then we would see the global battlefield's new correlation of forces.
grieved.. it's good to see you again! i like being optimistic too and i don't want to squelch this in anyone.. ultimately it will be actions that count.. perhaps the words are leading towards this as you suggest.. i hope you're right!
They're Exceptionalists and are acting out the behaviors described in "Through the Looking Glass"--the Red Queen in particular. Serial Killers don't think of their reputation; they're addicted to killing and do so until they are halted by force.
The two state solution is not impossible. It has been the official policy for 75 years and never enacted.
The Rules Based Order has crashed. "The Rules" and the UN are agents of genocide.
Shahid Bolsen has been arguing for some time that the US should be kicked out of the UN for not following the rules. Here is one of his videos on this topic
I agree with James...it ain't working. Or as I like to phrase it: "That ain't gonna happen." Russia has its head in the sand over the two-state solution, like everyone else.
Russia's efforts towards convening a third party regional commission are laudable, but unless those state actors are prepared to back the non-state actors in the Axis of Resistance, it's quite likely that will end up as just more words, due to the short-sighted economic incentives (oil transit and other economic ties with Israel) those state actors have.
Simply "declaring" Palestine to be a state, as Professor Jeffrey Sachs advocates - and apparently Lavrov, too - simply isn't going to work, whether it's done at the UNSC or by anyone else.
I'm not down on myself. I'm down on everyone else. That's what "I'm always wrong" means.
So of course the minute anyone reads that, they'll say "he's so arrogant", which is the other bullshit argument they make because they can't actually refute my statements. So I'm still wrong.
I'm just acknowledging that I'm always wrong - in everyone else's eyes.
say we put the Zionist settlers in Gaza and let the Palestinians have the rest of Palestine! funny. I agree with Crooke rather than Lavrov, there can be no 2 state solution.
You may very well be right about the ultimate impracticability of a 'two state' solution. I suspect that Mr Lavrov might agree with you.
But the situation is one in which the UN has agreed, on numerous occasions and with the expressed agreement of both Palestinians and Israelis, that Palestine should be divided into two states.
The reason that this solution has not been implemented is not that it has been tried and found to be unworkable but because the Israelis, supported confidentially but fully, by the United States have decided to postpone taking the measures agreed upon to construct a Palestinian state until there are no Palestinians and no supporters of Palestine left.
What those like Lavrov are doing is demanding that Israel and the US fulfil their long standing promises- that they put their money where their mouths are!.
This is the obvious ext step: the UNGA and the UNSC alike are formally committed to a Teo State formula, so they should either get it done or rescind their earlier decisions.
They could then tell us whether, like the US and Israel, they support genocide, ethnic cleansing and apartheid or an international conference to work out ways of solving the problem.
My guess is that,if the Two State solution is put back at te top of the international agenda, 9 states out of every ten-with the possible exceptions of Czechoslovakia, The Marshall Islands and the coral atolls formerly known as Great Britain- will vote for Lavrov's motion.
As to Lavrov's speech it was superb- he speaks, on this matter, for decent people everywhere.
Yes i agree. I am sure Lavrov knows what is really going down and what is best for him to say to the UNSC is different to what a retired diplomat can say on a podcast.
Lavrov's rhetoric can't get much stronger than what he delivered. He came as close as possible to overtly calling the NATO-3 immoral war criminals unfit to sit on the UNSC to decide anything of importance. All his reasoning and argumentation is 100% correct, but look at what he and the RoW are up against--immoral war criminals of a Hitlerian level. How to deal with them after one of them veto the next attempt at mandating a ceasefire? The UNGA doesn't have the legal authority to mandate an expeditionary force to enforce a ceasefire. Perhaps the only route is to excommunicate/oust the NATO-3 and Occupied Palestine from the UN so the UNSC can act, if we want to keep actions within the purview of International Law.
Today's activities will have an additional "fact" attached to it--the Ukie's murder of their own POWs on the way to be repatriated: The Ukie version of the Hannibal Policy.
Well, something had to be done since Russia won't allow UK to fish in its waters anymore, thus dooming the national pastime--fish & chips--to extinction.
That's exactly what they need to do - rescind the decision in 1947 to partition Palestine. It was illegal according to the UN's own commission set up to study that point. They can take back control of the entirety of Palestine, declare Israel an illegal state, and impose a one-state solution.
But absolutely no one on the UNSC has the nerve - including Russia.
thanks karl... it ain't working.. no amount of words thrown at all this is changing anything.. by deeds we know the nature of others... not by words...
As has been said often by the resistance, the situation will be resolved on the battlefield.
That said, it's good to see Russia laying down the law in this regard. Words do matter, insofar as they reflect policy, and as they underlie newly developing policy, and as they open up future possibilities for policy.
We know Russia: enough bouts of this kind of wordplay can well lay the groundwork for (an invited) humanitarian, military intervention by a coalition from the global south. Then we would see the global battlefield's new correlation of forces.
The NAM Declaration indicates some sort of action to put Humanity back in charge while the Outlaws get chased off the planet.
grieved.. it's good to see you again! i like being optimistic too and i don't want to squelch this in anyone.. ultimately it will be actions that count.. perhaps the words are leading towards this as you suggest.. i hope you're right!
It amazes me that Israel, the USA and its allies seem oblivious to what their behaviour towards Palestine is doing for their international reputation.
Naked colonialism and its related barbarism on full display is palatable to very few.
They're losing all credibility on the world stage.
They're Exceptionalists and are acting out the behaviors described in "Through the Looking Glass"--the Red Queen in particular. Serial Killers don't think of their reputation; they're addicted to killing and do so until they are halted by force.
The two state solution is not impossible. It has been the official policy for 75 years and never enacted.
The Rules Based Order has crashed. "The Rules" and the UN are agents of genocide.
Shahid Bolsen has been arguing for some time that the US should be kicked out of the UN for not following the rules. Here is one of his videos on this topic
https://twitter.com/ShahidkBolsen
See my latest Palestine Update.
I agree with James...it ain't working. Or as I like to phrase it: "That ain't gonna happen." Russia has its head in the sand over the two-state solution, like everyone else.
Russia's efforts towards convening a third party regional commission are laudable, but unless those state actors are prepared to back the non-state actors in the Axis of Resistance, it's quite likely that will end up as just more words, due to the short-sighted economic incentives (oil transit and other economic ties with Israel) those state actors have.
Simply "declaring" Palestine to be a state, as Professor Jeffrey Sachs advocates - and apparently Lavrov, too - simply isn't going to work, whether it's done at the UNSC or by anyone else.
But then, I'm always wrong.
richard - you are not always wrong.. that is very untrue.. you bring a lot of insight and wisdom to these threads.. don't get down on yourself..
I'm not down on myself. I'm down on everyone else. That's what "I'm always wrong" means.
So of course the minute anyone reads that, they'll say "he's so arrogant", which is the other bullshit argument they make because they can't actually refute my statements. So I'm still wrong.
I'm just acknowledging that I'm always wrong - in everyone else's eyes.
lol.. okay - i get it now! but i am sorry - i still think you are right at least 1/2 the time!!
In matters outside my personal life, I'm right more often than 1/2 of the time. In my personal life, I'm always wrong. :-)
say we put the Zionist settlers in Gaza and let the Palestinians have the rest of Palestine! funny. I agree with Crooke rather than Lavrov, there can be no 2 state solution.
You may very well be right about the ultimate impracticability of a 'two state' solution. I suspect that Mr Lavrov might agree with you.
But the situation is one in which the UN has agreed, on numerous occasions and with the expressed agreement of both Palestinians and Israelis, that Palestine should be divided into two states.
The reason that this solution has not been implemented is not that it has been tried and found to be unworkable but because the Israelis, supported confidentially but fully, by the United States have decided to postpone taking the measures agreed upon to construct a Palestinian state until there are no Palestinians and no supporters of Palestine left.
What those like Lavrov are doing is demanding that Israel and the US fulfil their long standing promises- that they put their money where their mouths are!.
This is the obvious ext step: the UNGA and the UNSC alike are formally committed to a Teo State formula, so they should either get it done or rescind their earlier decisions.
They could then tell us whether, like the US and Israel, they support genocide, ethnic cleansing and apartheid or an international conference to work out ways of solving the problem.
My guess is that,if the Two State solution is put back at te top of the international agenda, 9 states out of every ten-with the possible exceptions of Czechoslovakia, The Marshall Islands and the coral atolls formerly known as Great Britain- will vote for Lavrov's motion.
As to Lavrov's speech it was superb- he speaks, on this matter, for decent people everywhere.
Yes i agree. I am sure Lavrov knows what is really going down and what is best for him to say to the UNSC is different to what a retired diplomat can say on a podcast.
Lavrov's rhetoric can't get much stronger than what he delivered. He came as close as possible to overtly calling the NATO-3 immoral war criminals unfit to sit on the UNSC to decide anything of importance. All his reasoning and argumentation is 100% correct, but look at what he and the RoW are up against--immoral war criminals of a Hitlerian level. How to deal with them after one of them veto the next attempt at mandating a ceasefire? The UNGA doesn't have the legal authority to mandate an expeditionary force to enforce a ceasefire. Perhaps the only route is to excommunicate/oust the NATO-3 and Occupied Palestine from the UN so the UNSC can act, if we want to keep actions within the purview of International Law.
Today's activities will have an additional "fact" attached to it--the Ukie's murder of their own POWs on the way to be repatriated: The Ukie version of the Hannibal Policy.
Also talk today of conscription for British citizens to fight the Russia bear who only wants to trade and live in peace.
Well, something had to be done since Russia won't allow UK to fish in its waters anymore, thus dooming the national pastime--fish & chips--to extinction.
Though I think it's been well over taken by curry, pizza and Chinese.
"rescind their earlier decisions."
That's exactly what they need to do - rescind the decision in 1947 to partition Palestine. It was illegal according to the UN's own commission set up to study that point. They can take back control of the entirety of Palestine, declare Israel an illegal state, and impose a one-state solution.
But absolutely no one on the UNSC has the nerve - including Russia.
But I'm always wrong.
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