My buddy at Moon of Alabama psychohistorian posted this short bit: “Reuters has a posting title up showing us what UN projection really looks like 'Stop the war' and Zelenskiy need not speak, UN Security Council chair tells Russia” That set up my reply and the intro to this magnificent piece of diplomacy by perhaps the best diplomat on the planet Sergie Lavrov:
Sep 21, 2023·edited Sep 21, 2023Liked by Karl Sanchez
Full disclosure. How can you publish a Russian speech and not even link to Biden?
Against my better judgement, I went there. I will put in some links so you don't even have to do a search.
For years I went to NetRoots conference which was started by dailykos.com. It is a democratic conference. Forget the date - 8 to 10 years ago Biden spoke and I would not go into the large hall to hear his BS. I wandered around and watched a few pieces at a viewing set up in another room.
True to form he delivered BS to the UN. Like people who are full of themselves, they spout out the biggest piles of BS all the while being so smug in their own brilliance.
For me, Biden's speech was a dramatic event displaying a superpower ensuring an even bigger crash.
Link to video of his speech which starts at about 45 min. I guess the State Dept likes to have lots of blank space to display that Biden will be speaking.
Now I will do something bad. After I said too many times to count that Biden delivered BS, I will be bad and actually publish some of that BS. Warning - wash hands before moving down the page..
...BS...BS..
Sovereignty, territorial integrity, human rights — these are the core tenets of the U.N. Charter, the pillars of peaceful relations among nations, without which we cannot achieve any of our goals.
That has not changed, and that must not change.
Yet, for the second year in a row, this gathering dedicated to peaceful resolution of conflicts is darkened by the shadow of war — an illegal war of conquest, brought without provocation by Russia against its neighbor, Ukraine.
Like every nation in the world, the United States wants this war to end. No nation wants this war to end more than Ukraine.
And we strongly support Ukraine in its efforts to bring about a diplomatic resolution that delivers just and lasting peace.
But Russia alone — Russia alone bears responsibility for this war. Russia alone has the power to end this war immediately. And it is Russia alone that stands in the way of peace, because the — Russia’s price for peace is Ukraine’s capitulation, Ukraine’s territory, and Ukraine’s children.
Russia believes that the world will grow weary and allow it to brutalize Ukraine without consequence.
But I ask you this: If we abandon the core principles of the United States [U.N. Charter] to appease an aggressor, can any member state in this body feel confident that they are protected? If we allow Ukraine to be carved up, is the independence of any nation secure?
I’d respectfully suggest the answer is no.
We have to stand up to this naked aggression today and deter other would-be aggressors tomorrow.
That’s why the United States, together with our allies and partners around the world, will continue to stand with the brave people of Ukraine as they defend their sovereignty and territorial integrity and their freedom. (Applause.)
It’s not only an investment in Ukraine’s future, but in the future of every country that seeks a world governed by basic rules that apply equally to all nations and uphold the rights of every nation, no matter how big or how small: sovereignty, territorial integrity. They are the fixed foundations of this noble body, and universal human rights is its North Star. We cannot sacrifice either.
I've been reading those lately for the first time. Real page turners.
I agree on Russia/China. Although rejected by Europe Russia is truly the last guardian of Western civilization and China clearly holds the same position for Eastern civilization. Both will take the preservation of history seriously.
Thank you karlof. In a previous life Comrade Lavrov must have been a knife thrower at a circus. I must say it was good of the Albanian Chair to make that stupid remark as an opportunity for the Russian team to set out the circumstance once again for all to see and read.
Thanks for the translation. Lavrov is a giant of a statesman, there are so few anymore.
The contrast between Lavrov’s detailed and referenced speech and Biden’s vague hand waving at concepts for the purpose of propaganda are revealing both at the personal and governmental system level.
Lavrov is really fierce when his dander is up, however he never loses track of his argument.
I was particularly struck by the following, "In an effort to prevent the democratization of interstate relations, the United States and its allies are increasingly openly and unceremoniously privatizing the secretariats of international organizations, bypassing the established procedures for decisions on the creation of subordinate mechanisms with non-consensus mandates, but with a claim to the right to blame those who, for some reason, are not pleasing to Washington."
It reminded me of the research I did following your words regarding Papal Bulls of the second half of the fifteenth century, which I wrote that I would research rather than ask you to explain. I only used Wikipedia but the relevant information was available.
Papal Bulls of 2nd Half of 15C – Karlof1’s comment re Papal Bulls that made everyone except a certain sect of Christianity Non-Humans and their lives and property forfeit to the "select."
The section that Lavrov's words (above) reminded me of a similar process that was highlighted in Wiki - believe it or not - and goes as follows;
"There was change in the constitution of the College of Cardinals during the course of the 15th century, especially under Sixtus IV and Innocent VIII. Of the 27 cardinals alive in the closing months of the reign of Innocent VIII no fewer than 10 were cardinal-nephews, eight were crown nominees, four were Roman nobles and one other had been given the cardinalate in recompense for his family's service to the Holy See; only four were able career churchmen. [Wikipedia 'Alexander VI {13}] "
New tech, old struggle. It's not clear in this twilight period who will write those books and manage the digital archives. I'm betting against the US imperialists. They are so corrupt and anti human as to have become an obsenity in the mouths of millions world wide.
May it be written in the world history text books of the future post imperialist order.
Especially liked this bit:
"and not so much to Washington as to the ruling Democratic Party in the United States."
Lavrov really gets it. This party has become the cockpit of intelligence and war making. It is just as right wing a party as the Republicans but vastly more powerful and dangerous to the entire world.
thanks karl.. it is a particularly powerful and insightful speech from lavrov.. i was especially happy he stated this : "Those who, contrary to the UN Charter, divide humanity into "democracies" and "autocracies", would do well to answer the question of what category do they attribute the Ukrainian regime to? I don't expect an answer."
Yes, the West has repeatedly and habitually violated the UN Charter.
I agree that Sergei Lavrov is the World's Greatest Diplomat. Vlademir Vlademerovich Putin is the World's Greatest National Leader.
Full disclosure. How can you publish a Russian speech and not even link to Biden?
Against my better judgement, I went there. I will put in some links so you don't even have to do a search.
For years I went to NetRoots conference which was started by dailykos.com. It is a democratic conference. Forget the date - 8 to 10 years ago Biden spoke and I would not go into the large hall to hear his BS. I wandered around and watched a few pieces at a viewing set up in another room.
True to form he delivered BS to the UN. Like people who are full of themselves, they spout out the biggest piles of BS all the while being so smug in their own brilliance.
For me, Biden's speech was a dramatic event displaying a superpower ensuring an even bigger crash.
Link to video of his speech which starts at about 45 min. I guess the State Dept likes to have lots of blank space to display that Biden will be speaking.
https://youtu.be/Hnvasxoys60
and state dept text which corrected Biden errors
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/speeches-remarks/2023/09/19/remarks-by-president-biden-before-the-78th-session-of-the-united-nations-general-assembly-new-york-ny/
Now I will do something bad. After I said too many times to count that Biden delivered BS, I will be bad and actually publish some of that BS. Warning - wash hands before moving down the page..
...BS...BS..
Sovereignty, territorial integrity, human rights — these are the core tenets of the U.N. Charter, the pillars of peaceful relations among nations, without which we cannot achieve any of our goals.
That has not changed, and that must not change.
Yet, for the second year in a row, this gathering dedicated to peaceful resolution of conflicts is darkened by the shadow of war — an illegal war of conquest, brought without provocation by Russia against its neighbor, Ukraine.
Like every nation in the world, the United States wants this war to end. No nation wants this war to end more than Ukraine.
And we strongly support Ukraine in its efforts to bring about a diplomatic resolution that delivers just and lasting peace.
But Russia alone — Russia alone bears responsibility for this war. Russia alone has the power to end this war immediately. And it is Russia alone that stands in the way of peace, because the — Russia’s price for peace is Ukraine’s capitulation, Ukraine’s territory, and Ukraine’s children.
Russia believes that the world will grow weary and allow it to brutalize Ukraine without consequence.
But I ask you this: If we abandon the core principles of the United States [U.N. Charter] to appease an aggressor, can any member state in this body feel confident that they are protected? If we allow Ukraine to be carved up, is the independence of any nation secure?
I’d respectfully suggest the answer is no.
We have to stand up to this naked aggression today and deter other would-be aggressors tomorrow.
That’s why the United States, together with our allies and partners around the world, will continue to stand with the brave people of Ukraine as they defend their sovereignty and territorial integrity and their freedom. (Applause.)
It’s not only an investment in Ukraine’s future, but in the future of every country that seeks a world governed by basic rules that apply equally to all nations and uphold the rights of every nation, no matter how big or how small: sovereignty, territorial integrity. They are the fixed foundations of this noble body, and universal human rights is its North Star. We cannot sacrifice either.
...BS...BS..
I've been reading those lately for the first time. Real page turners.
I agree on Russia/China. Although rejected by Europe Russia is truly the last guardian of Western civilization and China clearly holds the same position for Eastern civilization. Both will take the preservation of history seriously.
Thank you karlof. In a previous life Comrade Lavrov must have been a knife thrower at a circus. I must say it was good of the Albanian Chair to make that stupid remark as an opportunity for the Russian team to set out the circumstance once again for all to see and read.
Thanks for the translation. Lavrov is a giant of a statesman, there are so few anymore.
The contrast between Lavrov’s detailed and referenced speech and Biden’s vague hand waving at concepts for the purpose of propaganda are revealing both at the personal and governmental system level.
This piece on PCR's excellent website:
https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2023/09/22/lavrov-declares-washington-to-be-the-worlds-1-outlaw/
Great post. I'm linking it in tomorrow's daily report at ASkeptic
https://askeptic.substack.com/
Lavrov is really fierce when his dander is up, however he never loses track of his argument.
I was particularly struck by the following, "In an effort to prevent the democratization of interstate relations, the United States and its allies are increasingly openly and unceremoniously privatizing the secretariats of international organizations, bypassing the established procedures for decisions on the creation of subordinate mechanisms with non-consensus mandates, but with a claim to the right to blame those who, for some reason, are not pleasing to Washington."
It reminded me of the research I did following your words regarding Papal Bulls of the second half of the fifteenth century, which I wrote that I would research rather than ask you to explain. I only used Wikipedia but the relevant information was available.
Papal Bulls of 2nd Half of 15C – Karlof1’s comment re Papal Bulls that made everyone except a certain sect of Christianity Non-Humans and their lives and property forfeit to the "select."
The section that Lavrov's words (above) reminded me of a similar process that was highlighted in Wiki - believe it or not - and goes as follows;
"There was change in the constitution of the College of Cardinals during the course of the 15th century, especially under Sixtus IV and Innocent VIII. Of the 27 cardinals alive in the closing months of the reign of Innocent VIII no fewer than 10 were cardinal-nephews, eight were crown nominees, four were Roman nobles and one other had been given the cardinalate in recompense for his family's service to the Holy See; only four were able career churchmen. [Wikipedia 'Alexander VI {13}] "
Are the similarities an illusion?
Just an incredible statement. Much credit to Lavrov himself but also to his excellent staff.
It is regrettable that so much Russophobia gets in the way of following cogent analysis.
New tech, old struggle. It's not clear in this twilight period who will write those books and manage the digital archives. I'm betting against the US imperialists. They are so corrupt and anti human as to have become an obsenity in the mouths of millions world wide.
Thank you so much for making this translation available to us. What a tour de force.
Surprise! Russia is backing the rule of law.
Sure law is normative, but the "rules based order" just happens to be my rules says the SUPERPOWER
And I have built over 800 military bases around the globe to ensure your safety.
And you don't appreciate being safe?
You might not agree. You might ask: Who are you to set the rules.
Well, there is another who, the WHO to ensure medical health of all people.
Are you ungrateful for all I have done for you? You children ...
"World's #1 Outlaw" got it.
Biden's speech was Goebbels level propaganda and mostly lies.
That is Biden's style to make the most outlandish statements as if they were real.
May it be written in the world history text books of the future post imperialist order.
Especially liked this bit:
"and not so much to Washington as to the ruling Democratic Party in the United States."
Lavrov really gets it. This party has become the cockpit of intelligence and war making. It is just as right wing a party as the Republicans but vastly more powerful and dangerous to the entire world.
thanks karl.. it is a particularly powerful and insightful speech from lavrov.. i was especially happy he stated this : "Those who, contrary to the UN Charter, divide humanity into "democracies" and "autocracies", would do well to answer the question of what category do they attribute the Ukrainian regime to? I don't expect an answer."