Apparently, the TASS interview was done on Wednesday but its transcript wasn’t published until Thursday morning with the much longer, detailed filled interview with Ria Novosti/Channel 24 TV occurring Thursday. There are other events that are all happening as we approach the New Year’s weekend holiday, with many wanting to get work done by Saturday, meaning there’s lots to report over the next several days beginning today. First is the relatively short interview with TASS:
Thanks for this, Karl, the sheer amount of time that you devote to this charity of yours is a testament in itself of your unselfishness. But the quality is every bit as impressive as the quantity. Happy New Year.
And now, as punishment, my two cents on Mr Bowles' always welcome and intelligent contributions.
The 'two state' 'solution'. Is obviously intended as a diplomatic way station, a chance for the people involved to shed the ideological nonsense and get down to the business of living.
The problem is that those infected by racist ideology-making society an impossibility and arpartheid/segregation inevitable- are the zionists. And that is why a two state solution is necessary: the alternative to leaving the zionists to stew in their own juice until, inevitably, they discredit themselves within their own state, is to defeat them militarily and dragoon them into a better, democratic and egalitarian world.
That has been the plan for almost a century now and it has suited zionists down to the ground.It is just what they wanted: an Iron Wall separating them behind which they could indoctrinate each other until the international equivalent of men in white coats drove up and kindly escorted them away while they raved about how unique (in a good way) they were and how God regarded them as his special mates and leading comrades....
I sympathise with William Bowles, most people do: a two state solution makes no sense at all except to zionists and their racist allies. Unfortunately, however, it is they with whom the world must deal. And the world has learned that while the zionists pretend that they agree to a two state solution, they really don't because their definition of the state of Israel is infinitely expandable. They want to rule the entire Arabian peninsula and the levant. And they are ready to solve the manpower shortage by turning the current occupants into slaves.
It is , of course, utter nonsense- as was the ideology of the National Party in South Africa or the Jim Crow racism that dominated the United States for most of its history and whose intellectual scars are so deep that most of the folly Lavrov encounters (see above) are derived from it.
But it is a nonsense whose advocates see as being beyond the reach of reason and therefore legitimately enforced by violence.
In the end Zionists argue that they have the right to what they choose because they can do so with impunity. For this they tend to roll their eyes and thank God but we all understand that their thanks are actually due to imperialism.
What Lavrov, and anyone who thinks about it knows, is that the advantage of the Two State solution is that it can never take effect because any Zionist 'state' will exist for no other purpose than to substitute one state for the two.
But that is diplomacy, friends, full of roundabout, time consuming rituals, pretence, hypocrisies, lies, evasions and deceitfulness. It turns some men into something that even criminals find disgusting but others, and Lavrov appears to be one of them into honest brokers.
Having now had time to fully consider Lavrov's carefully chosen responses I would like to air my own perspective which, if I am right, Lavrov and Putin are well aware of and trying to avoid.
I wrote this piece some 5/6 years ago on Hive blog and imported it to Substack with few minor edits in April 2022.
In it, I point out that the Zionists are following the biblical book, Revelation, as if it were a blueprint. They are setting the scene for the battle of Armageddon and must be creaming their pants with the success of the recent political manipulations. The US navy and numerous others are gathered in the Mediterranean literally waiting for...... something.
What would that 'something' be? My prediction is that there will be a Black Swan false flag event in which Israel will be almost obliterated by a huge MOAB missile strike. This will immediately be blamed, without a shred of evidence, on Iran. WW3 will ensue between NATO allies and BRICS countries who have quiet but strong treaties with Iran.
I would go as far as to declare that this has been the Zionist plan since they got Rothschild to negotiate the Balfour Declaration. Zionists are NOT Jewish. They are the modern incumbents of old school Khazarian phoney religious converts who are making good progress towards their objective of reclaiming their territory which stretched from Kiev in Ukraine to Astana in Kazakhstan.
The problem as I see it is the Zionist military is far weaker than they assumed and no nation has yet encountered Iran's full military capabilities. Plus, there's now a 50/50 chance of the IOF losing on its home turf. No other peoples are buying Netanyahu's eschatological Manichean formula, although it's possible some in the Islamic hierarchy see it from the opposite POV with the Zionists being the Great Evil needing to be defeated. We shall soon see as the IOF is saying it's incapable of defeating Hamas.
I think the nurturing of hatred against Israel is part of the agenda. Perception is being manipulated into demanding that Israel be stopped. So when they are obliterated who will mourn?
To write about Palestine one must delve deeply into history so the entire story's told, not just what's happened since WW2. That's a long process that doesn't lend itself to soundbites or catchy phrases. The story is bracketed by Imperial actions at both ends and the middle along with amazing amounts of manipulation and sordid rearranging of history. The key is that it's all been done in the service of those afflicted by Pleonexia and Megalomania, also from the beginning until today. And Metaphysics is again being used to try and gain ascendency. How many people are truly prepared to learn the Truth of the matter? The Truth will upend many established apple carts and greatly alter Metaphysics--the equivalent of learning Darth Vader is your father.
Seekers of Truth can be dangerous to the Establishment for the Truth is obtainable. And for societies who believe the lies they've been taught, the Truth is also dangerous but for different reasons than those affecting the Establishment.. And in this case, the Truth IMO isn't radical, although some will say it is in order to protect their selfish interests, their power. Indeed, there's even a recently published book having part of the Truth in its title, "... and forgive them their debts" by Dr. Michael Hudson.
How many things you can discover from Lavrovìs pressers and interviews...
I had no idea until now that Josep Borrell was both High Representative of the European Union for Foreign Affairs and Security Policy and Head of the European Defence Agency: https://eda.europa.eu/who-we-are/organigram/head-of-agency
If the EU was a country/state, Borrell would be both the Minister of Foreign Affairs (i.e. the head of diplomacy) and the Minister of Defence. What an oxymoron!
So Lavrov (who I normally admire) is still pushing the infamous two-state solution based on what? A UNSC resolution? A resolution that was never intended to be implemented, yet another US-inspired diversion and just like Ukaraine's population, totally expendable. Israel is a settler-colonial state, a US aircraft carrier slap-bang in the middle of the Middle East. Of course it just might have something to do with those tens of thousands of former (alleged) Russian Jews, lured to Israel from the former Soviet Union during the Cold WAr. But as Putin said the other day, he might have been a tad naive about the 'Collective West's' true intentions. Talk about an understatement! Wakey-wakey Russia!
Remember, the current judgement by international law posits the two-state solution, which at this point force must be employed for compliance, which means another UNSCR under Chapter 7 authorizing that force. Russia, China, RoW are all following the Law and trying to implement it but are stymied at every turn by the Outlaw US Empire along with the Zionists. The current situation has rendered those two entities alone, bereft of any allies, except the UK, perhaps, which is a change, an advancement--NATO won't help the Zionists. IMO, the problem is with those asking the questions. The question that's not getting asked is, How to force the Zionists to accept the two-state solution since that's what the Law requires? Since that question's yet to be asked, we don't know what Russia or China's response will be so we can move on from there. Now I know Russians read this substack, and this is the second time I've proposed that question. Currently, I don't think any one Russian can answer that as that would need to be a collective decision modifying current policy.
I know that Karl, but that's NOT what Lavrov said is it. It's pure dissembling, hiding behind a phony resolution. His comment that Israel is pursuing the same objectives as Russia is in the Ukraine is bloody outrageous! 20,000 dead most are women and children, people tortured, it's Fascism, extermination, genocide.
You are taking Lavrov's answer out of context like all too many other people. Read his essay from July 2022 that I've translated so readers can gain the ultra important context that's within the question Lavrov was asked.
thanks karl... here is the paragraph that has aroused some conversation and questions..
"You said that Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has declared that Hamas must be destroyed in its entirety and as a military force. It's like demilitarization. He also said extremism must be eradicated in Gaza. It's like denazification. Moreover, it is not very clear to me why the previous Israeli government, when Yasser Lapid was Prime Minister (before that he was Foreign Minister and then became Prime Minister), reacted in such a way to the start of our special military operation. His reaction was surprising to me. Like, how dare Russia use force against the civilian population, annexed Ukrainian territories."
within the context it seems that lavrov is pointing out how at the time russia declared its SMO, israel took a very hostile attitude towards it... in light of israels present activities - it makes no sense... however i want to point out israels agenda here is very different then russias and that ought to be obvious to anyone paying close attention to this..
There's also the "hidden" context within the question I pointed to--Lavrov's Izvestia article about staging provocations for devious ends which is now available to read.
Can you post the relevant text of Lavrov's RT interview please as judging from the response you've posted here, it's as clear as mud! And frankly, how do you connect his July 2022 piece to current events? I'm confused.
The 2022 article's content is part of the question Lavrov's asked:
"Question: Our time is coming to an end, but we still have an important issue to deal with – the Gaza Strip. Israel has already announced that the war will last for months. Hamas is allegedly being destroyed.
"Although the Americans have been flirting with him for a long time. ****A year ago, you even wrote an article in Izvestia about all sorts of stagings****. What was the result? ***Was this also a staged Hamas attack on Israel? How should we perceive all this?*** Some even think that the destruction of the Gaza Strip is a special operation in order to dig a parallel Suez Canal from the Gulf of Eilat through the Negev desert. It's three hundred kilometers there. With modern technology and money, it's not difficult. What was that? ***What is the essence of this geopolitical process***?"
As you'll note, the Q is a multiplicity of several Qs, and the Izvestia article is about the trem Lavrov employed for False Flags--"Stagings." So, now reread his entire answer:
"Sergey Lavrov: ****There are a lot of conspiracy theories now****.
"Just a few days ago, our television and social networks once again reported by a Western media outlet, Western journalists and researchers (I think Samuel Hersh also published this) that the entire Israeli leadership had been warned by intelligence a year before October 7 of this year about a large-scale terrorist attack being prepared.
"I cannot assume (if this is true) that no preventive measures have been taken. Moreover, I know to what extent the Israeli army and its security forces are able and always ready to carry out preventive strikes.
"****This reminded me of another conspiracy theory, when the Twin Towers were attacked by terrorists on September 11, 2001, followed by the outbreak of war in Afghanistan and the announcement of the "Greater Middle East" project****.
"There were other, less bloody conspiracy theories, such as the moon landing. So far, no one has been able to calm down completely. Although, it would seem that in all three cases such a number of people should have known about what was happening. This is still unclear. Strangely.
"I don't even want to admit that ****normal people**** can sacrifice hundreds of their fellow citizens in order to have some pretext, or to trample on a terrorist organisation that they hate and want to completely eradicate it, or to get some economic and logistical benefits.
"You said that Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has declared that Hamas must be destroyed in its entirety and as a military force. It's like demilitarization. He also said extremism must be eradicated in Gaza. It's like denazification. Moreover, it is not very clear to me why the previous Israeli government, when Yasser Lapid was Prime Minister (before that he was Foreign Minister and then became Prime Minister), reacted in such a way to the start of our special military operation. His reaction was surprising to me. Like, how dare Russia use force against the civilian population, annexed Ukrainian territories.
"It wasn't fair. We talked about it. I don't know how he analyses and describes the events now, but Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, despite numerous critical statements from all over the world and the fact that he found himself in a serious situation, he did not and does not allow himself to make any statements regarding Russia. I had two telephone conversations with President of Russia Vladimir Putin (1, 2). The Israelis, as well as the Egyptians, helped us evacuate our citizens who were taken hostage or simply wanted to leave the Gaza Strip.
"We need to be very careful about our shared history with Israel. And first of all, to the history of the fight against Nazism. ****This is the main thing that unites us historically. It's the foundation of our genetic code, if you will****.
"The Holocaust and the extermination of the multinational Soviet people are things of the same order apart from numbers. 6 million people – the Holocaust and more than 20 million people – the peoples of the Soviet Union.
"A year ago, the Israeli ambassador to Kiev remained silent at a news conference on Holocaust Remembrance Day, when asked what he thought about the fact that Ukraine glorifies Stepan Bandera, Roman Shukhevych and other Nazis, and uses and reveres these symbols. He was asked if this meant that Israel had changed its attitude. He said "no" and said that to the Israelis, they were still Nazis, unacceptable, and that would be forever. But, they say, Ukraine has a complicated history. I understand why Ukrainians treat these figures and political structures in such a way. Now that's scary."
You'll note that Lavrov didn't answer any of the questions posed; he skated around them very well. Why? Because he has no sold answers to give, only very general comparisons that were taken out of context by too many. I emphasized the fight against Nazism as being this uniting principle between Russia and the Israeli state; but the Zionists who created that state collaborated with the Nazis, and the Jews that fought the Nazis didn't do so specifically because they were Nazis but invading troops. Stalin was the one who decided to rush to recognize Israel as a nation because he thought that could be used to the USSR's geopolitical advantage, but he was very wrong as he didn't have a clue as to Zionist aims or the history of the entire Zionist/Imperialist policy to obtain Palestine that began as soon as the Napoleonic wars ended, the aim being to remove the Turks so the Suez canal project could begin.
I hope this explanation helps make something that was intended to be foggy clearer. I've followed Lavrov for many years and know he's very adept when it comes to providing non-explanation explanations. The initial Q was Did the Zionists allow Hamas's 7 October attack so they could finish their Genocidal Project? Perhaps if the Q had been phrased that directly, there would've been no obfuscation, with an "I don't know" being the answer.
As with 911, the evidence points to insider knowledge if not outright participation. Odd that Lavrov included the moon landings issue. The whole episode will need to be asked again by whoever interviews him for his biography.
Yes, the USSR was the FIRST country to recognise the 'state of Israel'! A settler colonial state no less, that expelled the Palestinians in the 1948 Nabka. How can anyone who claims to be anti-colonial support such ethnic cleansing and now, wholesale slaughter in front of the entire planet! I'm appalled!
I don't know if Stalin ever explained his decision; I've never made it something to be discovered, although now it would be good to know why if possible. The problem is time, in that I don't have enough--it's a bane related to aging!
Did Stalin ever have to? I think Lavrov is caught between a rock and a hard place, he's an intelligent and honest man, he surely is being a politician here, NOT a diplomat. Frankly, it exposes a serious contradiction in Russian foreign policy, a dangerous contradiction. Age? Well, I'm well the wrong side of 70.
I'm still confused, he's writing about events in 2022, so how is this piece connected to current events? Why is he going on about 'conspiracy theories'? Moon landings, 911? Has Lavrov been sucked into the same black hole? Karl, as you say he's in avoidance mode, I'm sorry but can't accept what he's saying, though I know why, because Russia is schizophrenic about Israel, the govt is still living in WWII! So, he's saying what the govt says but if may, I'll quote Len Deighton from 'Funeral in Berlin', when the double agent is confronted about 'sitting on the fence', "they'll run the barbed wire right through you!" Russia better get it's act together, they can't play sides and rely on the phony two state solution as a get out of jail card. In fact, Gaza has exposed the Russian position I'm very sorry to say.
As I wrote, the Q opened the door for the use of staging as an out for Lavrov's answer, although I highly doubt the questioner meant it as such. That's why I said the Q should've been phrased differently. The other point that both Kiselev and Lavrov both know is the issue of two million Russian citizens residing within Occupied Palestine, but that doesn't enter the answer as that fact impacts overall policy: and Constitutionally, Russia MUST provide aide to its citizens regardless of what and where they are. That fact is the main reason why Russia has close relations with the Occupied Palestine government. Alos note that Russia has long singled out the Outlaw US Empire as THE culprit in keeping UNSCRs from being enforced. IMO, the Arab nations are all capable of understanding Russia's dilemma and don't accuse Russia of contributing to the problem; in fact, the opposite is the case as Russia's been proclaimed to be an honest broker while the Empire isn't at all worthy.
Russia finds itself pinned on the horns of its dilemma as it can't use force against its own citizens which is what would need to be done to get the Zionists to conform to international law. If Russia actually favored the Zionists in some manner, do you think it would have a strategic relationship with Iran?
Yes, Russia clearly has difficulty calling a spade a spade regarding Palestine whereas it doesn't with Ukraine. Would it be worth the time to debate Lavrov and other members of Russia's government on this issue. Perhaps just to clarify Russia's POV. But would that make any difference in resolving the problem? IMO, that answer is no. What's happening now with the non-state actors applying the force required to alter the status quo is the path chosen by the region's governments along with China and Russia. Yes, it's ugly but must be allowed to run its course before whatever is to come next.
Agreed and I pointed in my earlier comment about the two million (former?) Russian citizens, many of whom ain't Jews! Yes, it's a dilemma for Russia but it's EXTERMINATION for 2 million Palestinians!!!!! And yes it's another casualty of history but Russia has to face up to it! After all, it's the result of Russia's history too and what would Russia lose if it decided to confront all those racist Russians who are exterminating Palestinians? It's time for Russia to face up to the mistakes of its Soviet past.
Well, we can say the Zionists attacked themselves via their illegal, immoral, unjust policies that were supported by the Outlaw US Empire and its NATO vassals. And it was the Outlaw US Empire "that made the first move on the Ukraine" back in 1945 with its supplying men and material to the OUN, a policy that continues to this day.
There are many citizens of the United States that were warned by the then President Eisenhower of what he called "the military industrial complex". At least half of our Country is aware of the military industrial complex and and that it needs to be watched over. It is the electoral process (voting) where we try to bring those who can make for stronger watchdogs. Companies that make weapons (everywhere around the world) are those who profit from wars. Right now our current president "BIDEN" is responsible for spending our taxpayer's dollars on wars. With any luck, Trump will beat him in the 2024 election.
Ike was the ultimate hypocrite as he chose to criticize something he was up to his ears in creating--if he was as worried as he made himself out to be he should have crushed the move to build the National Security State in its infancy when he was inaugurated--he was the one who ought to have drained the swamp when it was still a small pond. And Trump will be no savior as he's already proven. And instead of pointing the finger at Biden or Trump, isn't it Congress that makes the laws and decides what to spend our monies on? The POTUS merely suggests by putting forth his version of the budget which Congress can and ought to ignore. The two main Populist Movements in US history were successful because they changed the chemistry of Congress by electing their own people, not Ds or Rs. And for any real change to occur today or by 2030, that will need to happen again. We have one Anti-War candidate who will appear on most state ballots for POTUS--Jill Stein.
I think Lavrov's lost the plot!!! This from RT today:
Israel pursuing similar goals to Russia – Lavrov
Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov says Israel’s goals in Gaza are the same as Moscow’s aims of demilitarizing and denazifying Ukraine -- RT 28/12/23
That was the RT article I lambasted in my article--it's garbage--and I've already destroyed it at MoA. The key as I wrote is something you've yet to read but is now available.
I have no idea what RT's aim is. The reporting is junk as there's no link to check the content or context. And there's no author for the item. Sputnik on the other hand being part of the interviewing media team provided the entire video of the interview, although the English voice-over translation isn't exactly what's provided in the transcript. Lavrov is essentially asked if 7 October was a staged event like those he wrote about in his essay. When you carefully read his entire answer--every paragraph--being the diplomat he is, he sidesteps providing a direct yes or no answer. He states he would not want to believe a nation would willingly kill its own to forward a greater project, but he knows that's happened before. Here's his key statement:
"I don't even want to admit that normal people can sacrifice hundreds of their fellow citizens in order to have some pretext, or to trample on a terrorist organisation that they hate and want to completely eradicate it, or to get some economic and logistical benefits."
And the four paragraphs that came before that are just as important to his answer..
The evidence for 911 points to an inside, false-flag operation that accomplished several goals. US president Polk staged a false-flag to start the war with Mexico so the USA could steal 1/2 of Mexico. Nazis staged similar events as did the Japanese in escalating its war with China. Powell at the UNSC in 2003. Hell, Lavrov lists the most recent stagings. How does he begin his answer? That the Zionists knew and allowed it to happen. Why wasn't that included by RT?
Of course they new like any who follow the ME and specifically Palestine. Hamas even said they were preparing a great storm depicting motion graphics of eagles swarming in attack formations. All this I recall from earlier readings and postings some years ago. The question was when and to what extent would Hamas be capable of launching such an attack. So yes the IDF new but failed in underestimating the size and scope of Hamas capabilities, Including an over reliance placed on its redundant physical security plant and intelligence apparatus. To me this all seems fairly clear at this point.
Frankly, I find Hamas extremely suspect given that it was created by Israel as a counterbalance to Arafat's PLO. Now whether Hamas 'escaped' the clutches of Israel I have no idea but it does occur to me that October 7th was very convenient for Israel don't you think? After all, it justified Israel's attack on the Gaza Strip. Frankly, I find the politics of the region a murky swamp but as usual, it's the innocents who pay the price. Call me old-fashioned but I'm a socialist, I believe in revolutionary politics. For me, it's Fidel and his ilk and the fight for justice and socialism.
Hi. Yes I'm somewhat familiar with that account but Hamas was clearly a political faction supported overwhelmingly by the Palestinian.
If you happen to visit moa there is a contributor 'Eighthman' you may wish to pose your questions. I believe he studied Arabic and better understanding then i.
Thanks for this, Karl, the sheer amount of time that you devote to this charity of yours is a testament in itself of your unselfishness. But the quality is every bit as impressive as the quantity. Happy New Year.
And now, as punishment, my two cents on Mr Bowles' always welcome and intelligent contributions.
The 'two state' 'solution'. Is obviously intended as a diplomatic way station, a chance for the people involved to shed the ideological nonsense and get down to the business of living.
The problem is that those infected by racist ideology-making society an impossibility and arpartheid/segregation inevitable- are the zionists. And that is why a two state solution is necessary: the alternative to leaving the zionists to stew in their own juice until, inevitably, they discredit themselves within their own state, is to defeat them militarily and dragoon them into a better, democratic and egalitarian world.
That has been the plan for almost a century now and it has suited zionists down to the ground.It is just what they wanted: an Iron Wall separating them behind which they could indoctrinate each other until the international equivalent of men in white coats drove up and kindly escorted them away while they raved about how unique (in a good way) they were and how God regarded them as his special mates and leading comrades....
I sympathise with William Bowles, most people do: a two state solution makes no sense at all except to zionists and their racist allies. Unfortunately, however, it is they with whom the world must deal. And the world has learned that while the zionists pretend that they agree to a two state solution, they really don't because their definition of the state of Israel is infinitely expandable. They want to rule the entire Arabian peninsula and the levant. And they are ready to solve the manpower shortage by turning the current occupants into slaves.
It is , of course, utter nonsense- as was the ideology of the National Party in South Africa or the Jim Crow racism that dominated the United States for most of its history and whose intellectual scars are so deep that most of the folly Lavrov encounters (see above) are derived from it.
But it is a nonsense whose advocates see as being beyond the reach of reason and therefore legitimately enforced by violence.
In the end Zionists argue that they have the right to what they choose because they can do so with impunity. For this they tend to roll their eyes and thank God but we all understand that their thanks are actually due to imperialism.
What Lavrov, and anyone who thinks about it knows, is that the advantage of the Two State solution is that it can never take effect because any Zionist 'state' will exist for no other purpose than to substitute one state for the two.
But that is diplomacy, friends, full of roundabout, time consuming rituals, pretence, hypocrisies, lies, evasions and deceitfulness. It turns some men into something that even criminals find disgusting but others, and Lavrov appears to be one of them into honest brokers.
Having now had time to fully consider Lavrov's carefully chosen responses I would like to air my own perspective which, if I am right, Lavrov and Putin are well aware of and trying to avoid.
I wrote this piece some 5/6 years ago on Hive blog and imported it to Substack with few minor edits in April 2022.
https://francesleader.substack.com/p/the-mother-of-all-false-flag-events
In it, I point out that the Zionists are following the biblical book, Revelation, as if it were a blueprint. They are setting the scene for the battle of Armageddon and must be creaming their pants with the success of the recent political manipulations. The US navy and numerous others are gathered in the Mediterranean literally waiting for...... something.
What would that 'something' be? My prediction is that there will be a Black Swan false flag event in which Israel will be almost obliterated by a huge MOAB missile strike. This will immediately be blamed, without a shred of evidence, on Iran. WW3 will ensue between NATO allies and BRICS countries who have quiet but strong treaties with Iran.
I would go as far as to declare that this has been the Zionist plan since they got Rothschild to negotiate the Balfour Declaration. Zionists are NOT Jewish. They are the modern incumbents of old school Khazarian phoney religious converts who are making good progress towards their objective of reclaiming their territory which stretched from Kiev in Ukraine to Astana in Kazakhstan.
They have already built their future capital city where the financial district has recently declared that the official language is ENGLISH. See Wikipedia entry: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astana_International_Financial_Centre
The problem as I see it is the Zionist military is far weaker than they assumed and no nation has yet encountered Iran's full military capabilities. Plus, there's now a 50/50 chance of the IOF losing on its home turf. No other peoples are buying Netanyahu's eschatological Manichean formula, although it's possible some in the Islamic hierarchy see it from the opposite POV with the Zionists being the Great Evil needing to be defeated. We shall soon see as the IOF is saying it's incapable of defeating Hamas.
I think the nurturing of hatred against Israel is part of the agenda. Perception is being manipulated into demanding that Israel be stopped. So when they are obliterated who will mourn?
To write about Palestine one must delve deeply into history so the entire story's told, not just what's happened since WW2. That's a long process that doesn't lend itself to soundbites or catchy phrases. The story is bracketed by Imperial actions at both ends and the middle along with amazing amounts of manipulation and sordid rearranging of history. The key is that it's all been done in the service of those afflicted by Pleonexia and Megalomania, also from the beginning until today. And Metaphysics is again being used to try and gain ascendency. How many people are truly prepared to learn the Truth of the matter? The Truth will upend many established apple carts and greatly alter Metaphysics--the equivalent of learning Darth Vader is your father.
Seekers of Truth can be dangerous to the Establishment for the Truth is obtainable. And for societies who believe the lies they've been taught, the Truth is also dangerous but for different reasons than those affecting the Establishment.. And in this case, the Truth IMO isn't radical, although some will say it is in order to protect their selfish interests, their power. Indeed, there's even a recently published book having part of the Truth in its title, "... and forgive them their debts" by Dr. Michael Hudson.
How many things you can discover from Lavrovìs pressers and interviews...
I had no idea until now that Josep Borrell was both High Representative of the European Union for Foreign Affairs and Security Policy and Head of the European Defence Agency: https://eda.europa.eu/who-we-are/organigram/head-of-agency
If the EU was a country/state, Borrell would be both the Minister of Foreign Affairs (i.e. the head of diplomacy) and the Minister of Defence. What an oxymoron!
So Lavrov (who I normally admire) is still pushing the infamous two-state solution based on what? A UNSC resolution? A resolution that was never intended to be implemented, yet another US-inspired diversion and just like Ukaraine's population, totally expendable. Israel is a settler-colonial state, a US aircraft carrier slap-bang in the middle of the Middle East. Of course it just might have something to do with those tens of thousands of former (alleged) Russian Jews, lured to Israel from the former Soviet Union during the Cold WAr. But as Putin said the other day, he might have been a tad naive about the 'Collective West's' true intentions. Talk about an understatement! Wakey-wakey Russia!
Remember, the current judgement by international law posits the two-state solution, which at this point force must be employed for compliance, which means another UNSCR under Chapter 7 authorizing that force. Russia, China, RoW are all following the Law and trying to implement it but are stymied at every turn by the Outlaw US Empire along with the Zionists. The current situation has rendered those two entities alone, bereft of any allies, except the UK, perhaps, which is a change, an advancement--NATO won't help the Zionists. IMO, the problem is with those asking the questions. The question that's not getting asked is, How to force the Zionists to accept the two-state solution since that's what the Law requires? Since that question's yet to be asked, we don't know what Russia or China's response will be so we can move on from there. Now I know Russians read this substack, and this is the second time I've proposed that question. Currently, I don't think any one Russian can answer that as that would need to be a collective decision modifying current policy.
I know that Karl, but that's NOT what Lavrov said is it. It's pure dissembling, hiding behind a phony resolution. His comment that Israel is pursuing the same objectives as Russia is in the Ukraine is bloody outrageous! 20,000 dead most are women and children, people tortured, it's Fascism, extermination, genocide.
You are taking Lavrov's answer out of context like all too many other people. Read his essay from July 2022 that I've translated so readers can gain the ultra important context that's within the question Lavrov was asked.
thanks karl... here is the paragraph that has aroused some conversation and questions..
"You said that Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has declared that Hamas must be destroyed in its entirety and as a military force. It's like demilitarization. He also said extremism must be eradicated in Gaza. It's like denazification. Moreover, it is not very clear to me why the previous Israeli government, when Yasser Lapid was Prime Minister (before that he was Foreign Minister and then became Prime Minister), reacted in such a way to the start of our special military operation. His reaction was surprising to me. Like, how dare Russia use force against the civilian population, annexed Ukrainian territories."
within the context it seems that lavrov is pointing out how at the time russia declared its SMO, israel took a very hostile attitude towards it... in light of israels present activities - it makes no sense... however i want to point out israels agenda here is very different then russias and that ought to be obvious to anyone paying close attention to this..
There's also the "hidden" context within the question I pointed to--Lavrov's Izvestia article about staging provocations for devious ends which is now available to read.
Karl,
Can you post the relevant text of Lavrov's RT interview please as judging from the response you've posted here, it's as clear as mud! And frankly, how do you connect his July 2022 piece to current events? I'm confused.
The 2022 article's content is part of the question Lavrov's asked:
"Question: Our time is coming to an end, but we still have an important issue to deal with – the Gaza Strip. Israel has already announced that the war will last for months. Hamas is allegedly being destroyed.
"Although the Americans have been flirting with him for a long time. ****A year ago, you even wrote an article in Izvestia about all sorts of stagings****. What was the result? ***Was this also a staged Hamas attack on Israel? How should we perceive all this?*** Some even think that the destruction of the Gaza Strip is a special operation in order to dig a parallel Suez Canal from the Gulf of Eilat through the Negev desert. It's three hundred kilometers there. With modern technology and money, it's not difficult. What was that? ***What is the essence of this geopolitical process***?"
As you'll note, the Q is a multiplicity of several Qs, and the Izvestia article is about the trem Lavrov employed for False Flags--"Stagings." So, now reread his entire answer:
"Sergey Lavrov: ****There are a lot of conspiracy theories now****.
"Just a few days ago, our television and social networks once again reported by a Western media outlet, Western journalists and researchers (I think Samuel Hersh also published this) that the entire Israeli leadership had been warned by intelligence a year before October 7 of this year about a large-scale terrorist attack being prepared.
"I cannot assume (if this is true) that no preventive measures have been taken. Moreover, I know to what extent the Israeli army and its security forces are able and always ready to carry out preventive strikes.
"****This reminded me of another conspiracy theory, when the Twin Towers were attacked by terrorists on September 11, 2001, followed by the outbreak of war in Afghanistan and the announcement of the "Greater Middle East" project****.
"There were other, less bloody conspiracy theories, such as the moon landing. So far, no one has been able to calm down completely. Although, it would seem that in all three cases such a number of people should have known about what was happening. This is still unclear. Strangely.
"I don't even want to admit that ****normal people**** can sacrifice hundreds of their fellow citizens in order to have some pretext, or to trample on a terrorist organisation that they hate and want to completely eradicate it, or to get some economic and logistical benefits.
"You said that Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has declared that Hamas must be destroyed in its entirety and as a military force. It's like demilitarization. He also said extremism must be eradicated in Gaza. It's like denazification. Moreover, it is not very clear to me why the previous Israeli government, when Yasser Lapid was Prime Minister (before that he was Foreign Minister and then became Prime Minister), reacted in such a way to the start of our special military operation. His reaction was surprising to me. Like, how dare Russia use force against the civilian population, annexed Ukrainian territories.
"It wasn't fair. We talked about it. I don't know how he analyses and describes the events now, but Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, despite numerous critical statements from all over the world and the fact that he found himself in a serious situation, he did not and does not allow himself to make any statements regarding Russia. I had two telephone conversations with President of Russia Vladimir Putin (1, 2). The Israelis, as well as the Egyptians, helped us evacuate our citizens who were taken hostage or simply wanted to leave the Gaza Strip.
"We need to be very careful about our shared history with Israel. And first of all, to the history of the fight against Nazism. ****This is the main thing that unites us historically. It's the foundation of our genetic code, if you will****.
"The Holocaust and the extermination of the multinational Soviet people are things of the same order apart from numbers. 6 million people – the Holocaust and more than 20 million people – the peoples of the Soviet Union.
"A year ago, the Israeli ambassador to Kiev remained silent at a news conference on Holocaust Remembrance Day, when asked what he thought about the fact that Ukraine glorifies Stepan Bandera, Roman Shukhevych and other Nazis, and uses and reveres these symbols. He was asked if this meant that Israel had changed its attitude. He said "no" and said that to the Israelis, they were still Nazis, unacceptable, and that would be forever. But, they say, Ukraine has a complicated history. I understand why Ukrainians treat these figures and political structures in such a way. Now that's scary."
You'll note that Lavrov didn't answer any of the questions posed; he skated around them very well. Why? Because he has no sold answers to give, only very general comparisons that were taken out of context by too many. I emphasized the fight against Nazism as being this uniting principle between Russia and the Israeli state; but the Zionists who created that state collaborated with the Nazis, and the Jews that fought the Nazis didn't do so specifically because they were Nazis but invading troops. Stalin was the one who decided to rush to recognize Israel as a nation because he thought that could be used to the USSR's geopolitical advantage, but he was very wrong as he didn't have a clue as to Zionist aims or the history of the entire Zionist/Imperialist policy to obtain Palestine that began as soon as the Napoleonic wars ended, the aim being to remove the Turks so the Suez canal project could begin.
I hope this explanation helps make something that was intended to be foggy clearer. I've followed Lavrov for many years and know he's very adept when it comes to providing non-explanation explanations. The initial Q was Did the Zionists allow Hamas's 7 October attack so they could finish their Genocidal Project? Perhaps if the Q had been phrased that directly, there would've been no obfuscation, with an "I don't know" being the answer.
As with 911, the evidence points to insider knowledge if not outright participation. Odd that Lavrov included the moon landings issue. The whole episode will need to be asked again by whoever interviews him for his biography.
Yes, the USSR was the FIRST country to recognise the 'state of Israel'! A settler colonial state no less, that expelled the Palestinians in the 1948 Nabka. How can anyone who claims to be anti-colonial support such ethnic cleansing and now, wholesale slaughter in front of the entire planet! I'm appalled!
I don't know if Stalin ever explained his decision; I've never made it something to be discovered, although now it would be good to know why if possible. The problem is time, in that I don't have enough--it's a bane related to aging!
Did Stalin ever have to? I think Lavrov is caught between a rock and a hard place, he's an intelligent and honest man, he surely is being a politician here, NOT a diplomat. Frankly, it exposes a serious contradiction in Russian foreign policy, a dangerous contradiction. Age? Well, I'm well the wrong side of 70.
I'm still confused, he's writing about events in 2022, so how is this piece connected to current events? Why is he going on about 'conspiracy theories'? Moon landings, 911? Has Lavrov been sucked into the same black hole? Karl, as you say he's in avoidance mode, I'm sorry but can't accept what he's saying, though I know why, because Russia is schizophrenic about Israel, the govt is still living in WWII! So, he's saying what the govt says but if may, I'll quote Len Deighton from 'Funeral in Berlin', when the double agent is confronted about 'sitting on the fence', "they'll run the barbed wire right through you!" Russia better get it's act together, they can't play sides and rely on the phony two state solution as a get out of jail card. In fact, Gaza has exposed the Russian position I'm very sorry to say.
As I wrote, the Q opened the door for the use of staging as an out for Lavrov's answer, although I highly doubt the questioner meant it as such. That's why I said the Q should've been phrased differently. The other point that both Kiselev and Lavrov both know is the issue of two million Russian citizens residing within Occupied Palestine, but that doesn't enter the answer as that fact impacts overall policy: and Constitutionally, Russia MUST provide aide to its citizens regardless of what and where they are. That fact is the main reason why Russia has close relations with the Occupied Palestine government. Alos note that Russia has long singled out the Outlaw US Empire as THE culprit in keeping UNSCRs from being enforced. IMO, the Arab nations are all capable of understanding Russia's dilemma and don't accuse Russia of contributing to the problem; in fact, the opposite is the case as Russia's been proclaimed to be an honest broker while the Empire isn't at all worthy.
Russia finds itself pinned on the horns of its dilemma as it can't use force against its own citizens which is what would need to be done to get the Zionists to conform to international law. If Russia actually favored the Zionists in some manner, do you think it would have a strategic relationship with Iran?
Yes, Russia clearly has difficulty calling a spade a spade regarding Palestine whereas it doesn't with Ukraine. Would it be worth the time to debate Lavrov and other members of Russia's government on this issue. Perhaps just to clarify Russia's POV. But would that make any difference in resolving the problem? IMO, that answer is no. What's happening now with the non-state actors applying the force required to alter the status quo is the path chosen by the region's governments along with China and Russia. Yes, it's ugly but must be allowed to run its course before whatever is to come next.
Agreed and I pointed in my earlier comment about the two million (former?) Russian citizens, many of whom ain't Jews! Yes, it's a dilemma for Russia but it's EXTERMINATION for 2 million Palestinians!!!!! And yes it's another casualty of history but Russia has to face up to it! After all, it's the result of Russia's history too and what would Russia lose if it decided to confront all those racist Russians who are exterminating Palestinians? It's time for Russia to face up to the mistakes of its Soviet past.
Excellent! A late Christmas gift for this Sergey Lavrov fan! I am eternally grateful for the opportunity to hang on his every word! Many thanks! xx
Russia once again proves its moral superiority.
I forgot, need to look at my calendar for October 7th Who was it that attacked Israel ?
Oh, and who was it that made the first move on the Ukraine ?
Well, we can say the Zionists attacked themselves via their illegal, immoral, unjust policies that were supported by the Outlaw US Empire and its NATO vassals. And it was the Outlaw US Empire "that made the first move on the Ukraine" back in 1945 with its supplying men and material to the OUN, a policy that continues to this day.
There are many citizens of the United States that were warned by the then President Eisenhower of what he called "the military industrial complex". At least half of our Country is aware of the military industrial complex and and that it needs to be watched over. It is the electoral process (voting) where we try to bring those who can make for stronger watchdogs. Companies that make weapons (everywhere around the world) are those who profit from wars. Right now our current president "BIDEN" is responsible for spending our taxpayer's dollars on wars. With any luck, Trump will beat him in the 2024 election.
Ike was the ultimate hypocrite as he chose to criticize something he was up to his ears in creating--if he was as worried as he made himself out to be he should have crushed the move to build the National Security State in its infancy when he was inaugurated--he was the one who ought to have drained the swamp when it was still a small pond. And Trump will be no savior as he's already proven. And instead of pointing the finger at Biden or Trump, isn't it Congress that makes the laws and decides what to spend our monies on? The POTUS merely suggests by putting forth his version of the budget which Congress can and ought to ignore. The two main Populist Movements in US history were successful because they changed the chemistry of Congress by electing their own people, not Ds or Rs. And for any real change to occur today or by 2030, that will need to happen again. We have one Anti-War candidate who will appear on most state ballots for POTUS--Jill Stein.
https://annas-archive.org/md5/14ba031cebd9eebaeb9991bed67b7f72
read it and weep
I think Lavrov's lost the plot!!! This from RT today:
Israel pursuing similar goals to Russia – Lavrov
Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov says Israel’s goals in Gaza are the same as Moscow’s aims of demilitarizing and denazifying Ukraine -- RT 28/12/23
I can't believe I read this. Shameful, shameful.
That was the RT article I lambasted in my article--it's garbage--and I've already destroyed it at MoA. The key as I wrote is something you've yet to read but is now available.
So what is RT up to Karl? Is it 'legalese'?
I have no idea what RT's aim is. The reporting is junk as there's no link to check the content or context. And there's no author for the item. Sputnik on the other hand being part of the interviewing media team provided the entire video of the interview, although the English voice-over translation isn't exactly what's provided in the transcript. Lavrov is essentially asked if 7 October was a staged event like those he wrote about in his essay. When you carefully read his entire answer--every paragraph--being the diplomat he is, he sidesteps providing a direct yes or no answer. He states he would not want to believe a nation would willingly kill its own to forward a greater project, but he knows that's happened before. Here's his key statement:
"I don't even want to admit that normal people can sacrifice hundreds of their fellow citizens in order to have some pretext, or to trample on a terrorist organisation that they hate and want to completely eradicate it, or to get some economic and logistical benefits."
And the four paragraphs that came before that are just as important to his answer..
The evidence for 911 points to an inside, false-flag operation that accomplished several goals. US president Polk staged a false-flag to start the war with Mexico so the USA could steal 1/2 of Mexico. Nazis staged similar events as did the Japanese in escalating its war with China. Powell at the UNSC in 2003. Hell, Lavrov lists the most recent stagings. How does he begin his answer? That the Zionists knew and allowed it to happen. Why wasn't that included by RT?
Of course they new like any who follow the ME and specifically Palestine. Hamas even said they were preparing a great storm depicting motion graphics of eagles swarming in attack formations. All this I recall from earlier readings and postings some years ago. The question was when and to what extent would Hamas be capable of launching such an attack. So yes the IDF new but failed in underestimating the size and scope of Hamas capabilities, Including an over reliance placed on its redundant physical security plant and intelligence apparatus. To me this all seems fairly clear at this point.
Frankly, I find Hamas extremely suspect given that it was created by Israel as a counterbalance to Arafat's PLO. Now whether Hamas 'escaped' the clutches of Israel I have no idea but it does occur to me that October 7th was very convenient for Israel don't you think? After all, it justified Israel's attack on the Gaza Strip. Frankly, I find the politics of the region a murky swamp but as usual, it's the innocents who pay the price. Call me old-fashioned but I'm a socialist, I believe in revolutionary politics. For me, it's Fidel and his ilk and the fight for justice and socialism.
Hi. Yes I'm somewhat familiar with that account but Hamas was clearly a political faction supported overwhelmingly by the Palestinian.
If you happen to visit moa there is a contributor 'Eighthman' you may wish to pose your questions. I believe he studied Arabic and better understanding then i.