The title for Crooke’s SCF essay today is “Israel and the Misjudgment of Reality” while the subtitle reads “The hard truth is that the Resistance has understood the reality of the situation better than their western counterparts.” Readers will recall that last week Crooke published a short analysis of Biden’s “peace play” in his
I should add this: "Stopping Gaza conflict a ‘test for humanity’ – South African FM to RT: Israel must not be allowed to “get away” with the “large-scale killing” it has been perpetrating, Naledi Pandor has said."
The conflict between Palestinian militant group Hamas and Israel has become a true “test for humanity” and must be stopped through a joint international effort, South African Foreign Minister Naledi Pandor hs told RT in an exclusive interview.
Speaking on the sidelines of the BRICS+ ministerial meeting in Nizhny Novgorod, Russia, Pandor insisted that no country “should breach international law in the manner that Israel is doing,” and that West Jerusalem must be stopped.
“You cannot have such large-scale killings, and the world just allows you to get away with it. So I believe this is a test for all of us as humanity to stand up and really fight against such abuse of human beings,” she explained. https://www.rt.com/news/599100-gaza-conflict-humanity-test/
A short video of the interview is at the above link. She speaks to the reality of the situation.
I feel that. Israel will not stop until they have completed a total genocide.
And that, in turn, means that Israel will not stop until Israel is eradicated.
And that's not just dramatic prose.
For Israel is capable of this isn't it?
It is their apocalyptic dream. It is the end of times. Only missing piece is the building of the third temple. I don't know how to fit that into the equation.
Maybe they don't either.
Everything doesn' t have to make strict sense in these genocidal turmoils.
To the Jews this is existential turmoil that is GOOD ! To them the end of the world is GOOD.
They hunger for it. It is their fulfillment.
That's the whole point. They are acting out a stone age religious drama. (okay, Bronze age if you like)
Apocalypse is what Judaism is all about.
And there are no 'secular' Jews. It is a contradiction in terms. A Jew may think he's secular but his wealth and efforts and fate are inextricably entwined with Judaism. That's just a simple fact
Saying 'I am a Jew' does not mean 'I have a genealogy'. No. It means 'I have a religion'.
And that religion has to die. It wants to die. It thinks it meets fulfillment in its death: in the 'end of times'.
We either drive it out of the minds of men so that 'I am a Jew' means only 'I have a genealogy' or it will drive itself out of existence via earthly apocalypse, at the cost if necessary of the deaths of all of us.
What’s the blast radius of all this? Can it be contained? As Crooke has so convincingly laid out over the last few months and you explain here, the suicidal/homicidal death cult will manufacture its own demise in its victory over life, but what will remain? The cult wishes to escalate in order to force its slave/captive/patron (more double meanings) to destroy its neighbors but such destruction will only hasten the process. This was set in motion long ago and rather than resist it we have prodded it on time and time again, drunk on our own indispensability, convinced that we are the end of history and that we would rule forever. But that belief proved to be its own undoing. The more we acted it out the weaker it became. We have rotted the moral pillars holding us above the depths and now we will join our victims in the hell we unleashed into the world.
Fortunately, the world's rather large and the Zionist's patch of the planet they claim exclusivity over is very small, and they are also a tiny fraction of Humanity. Now the Zionists are far more enflamed with their Cult and willingness to extinguish themselves to further it than are the Neoliberal Parasites who control the West and are intent on resisting the tides of History. The latter's hedonism and addiction to the fruits of Leisure Class Living will prevent them from blowing up their playland; thus, their desires outweigh those of the Zionists and is why their visions don't mesh. We see this in Biden's efforts to keep the conflict from widening. The much bigger problem for the Outlaw US Empire is to salvage its global position versus rising Multipolarity to which it's discovered it has a rather large disadvantage that it can't easily overcome. Ansarallah's chasing away the USS Eisenhower is but one manifestation of that much bigger problem. As it turns out, the electorate within the Empire isn't as cowed and manageable as was assumed back at the beginning of October 2023.
That’s what my head tells me but there is an element of madness to this that I just can’t wrap my head around, and no one seems to be talking about: if it’s ok to kill the children of Gaza because of the actions of their parents (or their parents’ captors as it seems to me) then why doesn’t anyone think about how that standard could be applied to us? Ever heard of Vietnam? Iraq? Millions murdered on false pretenses. Aggression. Massacres. Civilians. If it’s ok to collectively punish a society for actions like Oct 7th then the only thing that’s keeping us safe from retribution is our military might... Here’s the problem - that military might and dominion over the whole globe is fading, and quickly. We are signaling to the world that might makes right and revenge is ok. What could go wrong??
The damage done is to our moral standing, or perceived moral standing I should say, and without any moral standing left who’s to say that we will not suicidally support Israel in its suicidal genocide? The fracturing of our society along these lines is long in the making but unless our system somehow miraculously turns into an actual democracy it doesn’t matter at all whom anyone votes for. The patrons/slaves of Israel who control the US are firmly in power and it seems to me that only a total unraveling of the US will unseat them, and what will the point (for us here in the US) of that be? I am quite worried that collectively the US and Israel are incapable of backing away from this and it will be our undoing. That would be a fitting end to such a murderous society but this is my home, and in the moment of our weakness what’s to stop the rest of the world from enacting their deserved, by our own standards, revenge? Madness.
Living within an Outlaw Nation is fraught with moral dilemmas. What I see is Humanity has evolved beyond the primitive nature of Leviathan and its supposed need to exact revenge and thus that isn't our main concern. IMO, our main concern is evolving beyond our current level of inabilities to get along with all others as equals--there are no exceptional peoples, although some individuals are exceptional given their abilities. But one LeBron James doesn't make all of the USA his equal. There's a distinct need for the Establishment Narrative of Exceptional America to be beaten down and replaced by genuine history that informs citizens they were never in control of their national destiny, which has only worsened since 1945 and became calamitous for the world until now when it's suddenly become easier to realize the Empire's nature.
The #1 question for the US public is how to gain control over the national government when the public's never had control to begin with, and that of course means understanding that lack of control since the outset in 1776.
Absolutely. That dilemma is a particularly bitter pill to swallow when the people you work with and depend on for your livelihood are solidly on the revenge train. And democracy is no panacea either, the population of the US is not well educated and is far from moral.
In 1971, The Who released "The Bargain" which was Its way of elaborating on this moral dilemma as others did before and after. Perhaps the best recent display was Blinken playing Neil Young's musical screed "Rockin' in the Fee World" about the Empire's moral emptiness seemingly unaware of what the lyrics were exposing.
It's mirror image of the cabal's neo-colonialist plans for the wider world and Russia's confrontation has brought the reality of a multi-century empire's attempt to metamorphose into view. The Zionist state cannot continue and its population (those who aren't drinking the cool aid) will leave. They can't accept the idea of win-win and are stuck with winner take all thinking. So now this will be war all the way.
Yes, and imagine what they'll take with them to their second passport countries. More problems. The Russians need to stop molly-coddling these dual citizens and put them on a therapy program as you're suggesting.
crooke quote from above - "This is likely to be a long war. And a solution likely will only emerge through Israel, by one means or another, facing up to the inner paradigm contradiction within Zionism – and to begin seeing the future differently." nothing is changing here.. either the rest of the planet changes, or israel changes - neither is happening.. thanks for the update... usa is completely untrustworthy and unreliable, especially with regard to leadership on this issue of israel-palestine... they have failed miserably and need to abstain for any voting at the un... instead they veto any resolutions that challenge israels status quo... so we are stuck with status quo until something changes.. start calling zionism a form of terrorism... that would be a start...
thanks rudolf... there must be some way to make it so that the bigger countries don't get to veto decisions by a large number of members... the fact the security council can veto resolutions makes the un a difficult process to accept..
Well, the UNSC Veto has actually helped to keep nuclear war from happening. And would the loss of the veto alter the Outlaw US Empire's unilateral behavior it's had since its inception? That's why it didn't join the League of Nations. And despite its ratification of the UN Charter, the Empire will not obey any restrictions placed on what it perceives to be its sovereignty, which it sees as its right to do whatever it wants no matter how many die.
but usurping others sovereignty is a regular feature of the usa's foreign policy objectives!! no wonder they are afraid of their own shadow... they are incapable of seeing it.. oh and their media make sure to avoid any mention of the usa's foreign policy objectives to the folks in the usa, as they are too busy pushing a constant soother in their mouths - hollywood, and etc. etc. - for them to recognize what their country does on the world stage.. of course you are an exception karl and those who have voted with their feet and left the usa are also an exception!
It is NOT only the West who ignore the reality that Hamas understands. Lavrov just made this abundantly clear in a live press conference during the Brics+ summit of Foreign ministers. In his answer to a question from the floor, he referred to Hamas's "terrorist" attack on October 7 and maintained that the two state solution is the only option. Until Russia and China acknowledge that Israel is a terrorist state that enjoys total impunity, Ho Chi Minh will keep rolling in his grave.
Yes, that's perhaps the one major mistake Russian diplomacy has made as by its own Constitutional standards, Occupied Palestine's been a terrorist state for decades. The political problem of there being almost two million Russian citizens living in Palestine has long been Russia's handicap. Crooke, myself and others have pointed out the illogic of trying to attain the Two State Solution despite it being the one agreed upon International Ruling by the Global Majority. The only way out I see is for the ICJ to rule the Zionist society as a whole and not just the government are guilty of Genocide and as a result forfeit the right to be a UN member and a recognized state making Palestine THE only legal entity.
To leave the thief with their ill gotten gains is to reward injustice and ignore the victims. The settlers must leave, they were fully aware of their illegality and the dispossessed from their action. Only then can there be a just settlement to this conflict. Too bad Israel, you went too far, murdered too many and dare to threaten a conflagration and so all you are is a failed state with a flawed mission and a dishonest philosophy toward your fellow human beings. Throughout history conquerors of other lands have had to depart on the day of reckoning and hand it all back and Israel is no exception.
But were those conquerors crazed eschatological zealots totally absorbed into belief in a demonstrably false metaphysics who would rather die than give up their insanity? The polls Crooke cites seem to indicate that most of the so-called liberals who oppose the Zionist Project have already left the scene. Clearly, the small minority in opposition isn't even represented in the Knesset. Now I completely agree that the Zionists cannot be allowed to avoid their crimes, but here we're talking about several million members of a very sick society--sicker than the Nazis. The Resistance's war of attrition IMO is the proper strategy, but siege warfare can take quite some time to bring the desired result.
Well, the "two state solution" has become a glib, oh so politically correct, but meaningless abstraction when faced with ontological "reality" .
Heard a comment recently that the 6-War [1967] was a disaster for Israel as it colonised the rest of Palestine plus The Golan - it has certainly become existential for Palestinian hopes of a Palestinian State.
The comment on the 6-Day War [1967] was from an Israeli on an Al Jazeera talk show - the idea being that had the 6 day war not been fought then Israel might not be in such an amoral morass at the mo .... the "win" provided the Zionists with an exalted sense of power etc and control over the Palestinians
I should add this: "Stopping Gaza conflict a ‘test for humanity’ – South African FM to RT: Israel must not be allowed to “get away” with the “large-scale killing” it has been perpetrating, Naledi Pandor has said."
The conflict between Palestinian militant group Hamas and Israel has become a true “test for humanity” and must be stopped through a joint international effort, South African Foreign Minister Naledi Pandor hs told RT in an exclusive interview.
Speaking on the sidelines of the BRICS+ ministerial meeting in Nizhny Novgorod, Russia, Pandor insisted that no country “should breach international law in the manner that Israel is doing,” and that West Jerusalem must be stopped.
“You cannot have such large-scale killings, and the world just allows you to get away with it. So I believe this is a test for all of us as humanity to stand up and really fight against such abuse of human beings,” she explained. https://www.rt.com/news/599100-gaza-conflict-humanity-test/
A short video of the interview is at the above link. She speaks to the reality of the situation.
I feel that. Israel will not stop until they have completed a total genocide.
And that, in turn, means that Israel will not stop until Israel is eradicated.
And that's not just dramatic prose.
For Israel is capable of this isn't it?
It is their apocalyptic dream. It is the end of times. Only missing piece is the building of the third temple. I don't know how to fit that into the equation.
Maybe they don't either.
Everything doesn' t have to make strict sense in these genocidal turmoils.
To the Jews this is existential turmoil that is GOOD ! To them the end of the world is GOOD.
They hunger for it. It is their fulfillment.
That's the whole point. They are acting out a stone age religious drama. (okay, Bronze age if you like)
Apocalypse is what Judaism is all about.
And there are no 'secular' Jews. It is a contradiction in terms. A Jew may think he's secular but his wealth and efforts and fate are inextricably entwined with Judaism. That's just a simple fact
Saying 'I am a Jew' does not mean 'I have a genealogy'. No. It means 'I have a religion'.
And that religion has to die. It wants to die. It thinks it meets fulfillment in its death: in the 'end of times'.
We either drive it out of the minds of men so that 'I am a Jew' means only 'I have a genealogy' or it will drive itself out of existence via earthly apocalypse, at the cost if necessary of the deaths of all of us.
It is simple.
That is the essence of it.
They are lunatics.
As lunatic as any cult you ever heard of.
Yeah. Sort of like Denazification.
What’s the blast radius of all this? Can it be contained? As Crooke has so convincingly laid out over the last few months and you explain here, the suicidal/homicidal death cult will manufacture its own demise in its victory over life, but what will remain? The cult wishes to escalate in order to force its slave/captive/patron (more double meanings) to destroy its neighbors but such destruction will only hasten the process. This was set in motion long ago and rather than resist it we have prodded it on time and time again, drunk on our own indispensability, convinced that we are the end of history and that we would rule forever. But that belief proved to be its own undoing. The more we acted it out the weaker it became. We have rotted the moral pillars holding us above the depths and now we will join our victims in the hell we unleashed into the world.
Fortunately, the world's rather large and the Zionist's patch of the planet they claim exclusivity over is very small, and they are also a tiny fraction of Humanity. Now the Zionists are far more enflamed with their Cult and willingness to extinguish themselves to further it than are the Neoliberal Parasites who control the West and are intent on resisting the tides of History. The latter's hedonism and addiction to the fruits of Leisure Class Living will prevent them from blowing up their playland; thus, their desires outweigh those of the Zionists and is why their visions don't mesh. We see this in Biden's efforts to keep the conflict from widening. The much bigger problem for the Outlaw US Empire is to salvage its global position versus rising Multipolarity to which it's discovered it has a rather large disadvantage that it can't easily overcome. Ansarallah's chasing away the USS Eisenhower is but one manifestation of that much bigger problem. As it turns out, the electorate within the Empire isn't as cowed and manageable as was assumed back at the beginning of October 2023.
That’s what my head tells me but there is an element of madness to this that I just can’t wrap my head around, and no one seems to be talking about: if it’s ok to kill the children of Gaza because of the actions of their parents (or their parents’ captors as it seems to me) then why doesn’t anyone think about how that standard could be applied to us? Ever heard of Vietnam? Iraq? Millions murdered on false pretenses. Aggression. Massacres. Civilians. If it’s ok to collectively punish a society for actions like Oct 7th then the only thing that’s keeping us safe from retribution is our military might... Here’s the problem - that military might and dominion over the whole globe is fading, and quickly. We are signaling to the world that might makes right and revenge is ok. What could go wrong??
The damage done is to our moral standing, or perceived moral standing I should say, and without any moral standing left who’s to say that we will not suicidally support Israel in its suicidal genocide? The fracturing of our society along these lines is long in the making but unless our system somehow miraculously turns into an actual democracy it doesn’t matter at all whom anyone votes for. The patrons/slaves of Israel who control the US are firmly in power and it seems to me that only a total unraveling of the US will unseat them, and what will the point (for us here in the US) of that be? I am quite worried that collectively the US and Israel are incapable of backing away from this and it will be our undoing. That would be a fitting end to such a murderous society but this is my home, and in the moment of our weakness what’s to stop the rest of the world from enacting their deserved, by our own standards, revenge? Madness.
Living within an Outlaw Nation is fraught with moral dilemmas. What I see is Humanity has evolved beyond the primitive nature of Leviathan and its supposed need to exact revenge and thus that isn't our main concern. IMO, our main concern is evolving beyond our current level of inabilities to get along with all others as equals--there are no exceptional peoples, although some individuals are exceptional given their abilities. But one LeBron James doesn't make all of the USA his equal. There's a distinct need for the Establishment Narrative of Exceptional America to be beaten down and replaced by genuine history that informs citizens they were never in control of their national destiny, which has only worsened since 1945 and became calamitous for the world until now when it's suddenly become easier to realize the Empire's nature.
The #1 question for the US public is how to gain control over the national government when the public's never had control to begin with, and that of course means understanding that lack of control since the outset in 1776.
Absolutely. That dilemma is a particularly bitter pill to swallow when the people you work with and depend on for your livelihood are solidly on the revenge train. And democracy is no panacea either, the population of the US is not well educated and is far from moral.
In 1971, The Who released "The Bargain" which was Its way of elaborating on this moral dilemma as others did before and after. Perhaps the best recent display was Blinken playing Neil Young's musical screed "Rockin' in the Fee World" about the Empire's moral emptiness seemingly unaware of what the lyrics were exposing.
It's mirror image of the cabal's neo-colonialist plans for the wider world and Russia's confrontation has brought the reality of a multi-century empire's attempt to metamorphose into view. The Zionist state cannot continue and its population (those who aren't drinking the cool aid) will leave. They can't accept the idea of win-win and are stuck with winner take all thinking. So now this will be war all the way.
The polls reveal a fanatical society that ought to be arrested and sentenced to therapy for 20 years.
Yes, and imagine what they'll take with them to their second passport countries. More problems. The Russians need to stop molly-coddling these dual citizens and put them on a therapy program as you're suggesting.
We can hope for more refuseniks who see through the genocidal intent of their leaders like Smotrich and Ben-Gvir.
crooke quote from above - "This is likely to be a long war. And a solution likely will only emerge through Israel, by one means or another, facing up to the inner paradigm contradiction within Zionism – and to begin seeing the future differently." nothing is changing here.. either the rest of the planet changes, or israel changes - neither is happening.. thanks for the update... usa is completely untrustworthy and unreliable, especially with regard to leadership on this issue of israel-palestine... they have failed miserably and need to abstain for any voting at the un... instead they veto any resolutions that challenge israels status quo... so we are stuck with status quo until something changes.. start calling zionism a form of terrorism... that would be a start...
Regarding the US corrupting the UN. There are proposals to expel the US from the UN by invoking article 6 of the UN.
https://invokethe6th.org/
https://youtu.be/nztLQTRTU3A?si=JclM4GaL_QKYc2xy
thanks rudolf... there must be some way to make it so that the bigger countries don't get to veto decisions by a large number of members... the fact the security council can veto resolutions makes the un a difficult process to accept..
Well, the UNSC Veto has actually helped to keep nuclear war from happening. And would the loss of the veto alter the Outlaw US Empire's unilateral behavior it's had since its inception? That's why it didn't join the League of Nations. And despite its ratification of the UN Charter, the Empire will not obey any restrictions placed on what it perceives to be its sovereignty, which it sees as its right to do whatever it wants no matter how many die.
but usurping others sovereignty is a regular feature of the usa's foreign policy objectives!! no wonder they are afraid of their own shadow... they are incapable of seeing it.. oh and their media make sure to avoid any mention of the usa's foreign policy objectives to the folks in the usa, as they are too busy pushing a constant soother in their mouths - hollywood, and etc. etc. - for them to recognize what their country does on the world stage.. of course you are an exception karl and those who have voted with their feet and left the usa are also an exception!
It is NOT only the West who ignore the reality that Hamas understands. Lavrov just made this abundantly clear in a live press conference during the Brics+ summit of Foreign ministers. In his answer to a question from the floor, he referred to Hamas's "terrorist" attack on October 7 and maintained that the two state solution is the only option. Until Russia and China acknowledge that Israel is a terrorist state that enjoys total impunity, Ho Chi Minh will keep rolling in his grave.
Yes, that's perhaps the one major mistake Russian diplomacy has made as by its own Constitutional standards, Occupied Palestine's been a terrorist state for decades. The political problem of there being almost two million Russian citizens living in Palestine has long been Russia's handicap. Crooke, myself and others have pointed out the illogic of trying to attain the Two State Solution despite it being the one agreed upon International Ruling by the Global Majority. The only way out I see is for the ICJ to rule the Zionist society as a whole and not just the government are guilty of Genocide and as a result forfeit the right to be a UN member and a recognized state making Palestine THE only legal entity.
To leave the thief with their ill gotten gains is to reward injustice and ignore the victims. The settlers must leave, they were fully aware of their illegality and the dispossessed from their action. Only then can there be a just settlement to this conflict. Too bad Israel, you went too far, murdered too many and dare to threaten a conflagration and so all you are is a failed state with a flawed mission and a dishonest philosophy toward your fellow human beings. Throughout history conquerors of other lands have had to depart on the day of reckoning and hand it all back and Israel is no exception.
But were those conquerors crazed eschatological zealots totally absorbed into belief in a demonstrably false metaphysics who would rather die than give up their insanity? The polls Crooke cites seem to indicate that most of the so-called liberals who oppose the Zionist Project have already left the scene. Clearly, the small minority in opposition isn't even represented in the Knesset. Now I completely agree that the Zionists cannot be allowed to avoid their crimes, but here we're talking about several million members of a very sick society--sicker than the Nazis. The Resistance's war of attrition IMO is the proper strategy, but siege warfare can take quite some time to bring the desired result.
Well, the "two state solution" has become a glib, oh so politically correct, but meaningless abstraction when faced with ontological "reality" .
Heard a comment recently that the 6-War [1967] was a disaster for Israel as it colonised the rest of Palestine plus The Golan - it has certainly become existential for Palestinian hopes of a Palestinian State.
Right. Make the usurpers into victims. Who've been the real Terrorists all along?
The comment on the 6-Day War [1967] was from an Israeli on an Al Jazeera talk show - the idea being that had the 6 day war not been fought then Israel might not be in such an amoral morass at the mo .... the "win" provided the Zionists with an exalted sense of power etc and control over the Palestinians