i liked this line early in the article - "What kind of "peace" conference is this, if NATO countries have plans for the supply of weapons against Russia for the next five years."
I'm curious to see what happens in Georgia during June; see what its public does, not the paid protesters. The SPIEF will also have some interesting events in less than a week. Russia continues its attritional approach and slowly advances. The herding cattle concept is being seen as Ukie conscripts seek self-preservation. Recently in two separate incidents, Ukie tankers drove as far as they dared into Russian lines and surrendered themselves and their tanks. That's a Red Badge of Courage move that tells much.
Not just unforgivable, but downright criminal. Unfortunately, as we're witnessing with the ICC and ICJ fight to indict Netanyahu, there will be no justice seen or done in terms of the western political perpetrators ever being held accountable. The one exception might be Russia trying and sentencing them in absentia, something which would also serve to underline Russia's rejection of the west for its crimes.
Yeah, Karl is good company. Sad to say, he, me, and any other railing against the powers that be seems like shouting in a wilderness, where no one hears, no one cares.
I fully agree with this contribution: IMHO, two generations of sustained effort by RF to create and sustain new Lifeworlds ... and worth noting astute suggestion on 'testing ground for Europe' which is already underway.
"Dmitry Evstafiev, a political scientist and Americanist and professor at the Higher School of Economics, noted that the Bandera idea is not a media reality, but a social reality. A large part of Ukrainian society was immersed in this social reality, and media methods ensured this reality.
Ukrainians did not have the opportunity for self-realization outside the Bandera paradigm.
"The idea that we will be able to carry out denazification exclusively by media and administrative methods, in my opinion, it is very erroneous," Yevstafyev said.
Russia needs to build a new system of social institutions in Ukraine from scratch, he stressed. In Ukraine, the post-reality of the "cocoon of lies" that was planned to be offered to Europe was tested, the political scientist added."
I've pondered the issue of Denazification since it was announced as a primary SMO goal, Some of the suggestions and realistic observations were very good but not sufficient. It's extremely hard to kill ideas, no matter how vile they are.
It will take at least one full generation once the fighting stops. There must be a generation born that knows security and order without conflict. At the same time there must be a robust promotion of an alternative worldview coupled with exposing the crimes resulting from fascism in Ukraine.
And key is an active eradication of Western efforts to infiltrate Ukraine. The US ran Project Icon, then Project Aerodynamic / QRPLUM in Ukraine before WWII ended and continued through the fall of the USSR. The US CIA also created its largest foreign intelligence operation using German NAZI intelligence officer LtGen Gehlen, who hired former NAZIs to destabilize Ukraine. When those programs were shut down they were replaced by new programs costing over $5 billion supporting the OUN and groups like Right Sector and Svoboda.
It is a complicated long term process made more difficult by a West plotting to destroy Russia through any means possible.
If you kill them they will leave a void, into which they may simply reappear again later. Even if they don't, a whole body of meaning replete with implicit and indirect reference of concepts may become awry with potentially huge consequence downstream. It's best to counter-argue bad ideas with better ones and keep this pointed out until the full living organism of language has moved on enough to organically incorporate the problematic point.
Well noted! Important and scary. But then, this is hardly the first instance of 'western' powers trying to make such a cocoon, merely its latest version update.
Ironically, the Entnazifizierung in Germany after the war was used as a vehicle to destroy and erase much deeper cultural memory of the Germans.
I shall note that Nazism is more aptly dubbed an ideology, rather than a philosophy, IMO, as it is based on rigid and, as you note, plain wrong ideas which are not being questioned with due diligence.
Thanks Karl. This from Maria Z. is profound: "We recognize Nazism immediately and fight it. This is part of our national policy, interests as a state, people, and civilization."
This points to the likelihood that the Russians have internalized a comprehensive understanding of the Nazi person. The antithesis-- a self-aware, humble, generous being-- must be taught from day 1 (birth). The rest of the world can learn a great deal from the Russians.
Yes, that all fits with Putin's drive to ensure strong, loving families as he, his team and Russians generally see what's happening in the Western world they once aspired to join. The next series of articles will bear out the overall point and related policy.
i liked this line early in the article - "What kind of "peace" conference is this, if NATO countries have plans for the supply of weapons against Russia for the next five years."
thanks karl..
I'm curious to see what happens in Georgia during June; see what its public does, not the paid protesters. The SPIEF will also have some interesting events in less than a week. Russia continues its attritional approach and slowly advances. The herding cattle concept is being seen as Ukie conscripts seek self-preservation. Recently in two separate incidents, Ukie tankers drove as far as they dared into Russian lines and surrendered themselves and their tanks. That's a Red Badge of Courage move that tells much.
there is a lot of courage on both sides and it is a terrible tragedy that this has been put on ukraine... the wests position here is unforgivable...
Not just unforgivable, but downright criminal. Unfortunately, as we're witnessing with the ICC and ICJ fight to indict Netanyahu, there will be no justice seen or done in terms of the western political perpetrators ever being held accountable. The one exception might be Russia trying and sentencing them in absentia, something which would also serve to underline Russia's rejection of the west for its crimes.
well karl has been hammering on about the illegal nature of the evil empire, so you have good company!
Yeah, Karl is good company. Sad to say, he, me, and any other railing against the powers that be seems like shouting in a wilderness, where no one hears, no one cares.
Russians see, hear and care. The Statue of Liberty needs to be moved to Red Square.
I fully agree with this contribution: IMHO, two generations of sustained effort by RF to create and sustain new Lifeworlds ... and worth noting astute suggestion on 'testing ground for Europe' which is already underway.
"Dmitry Evstafiev, a political scientist and Americanist and professor at the Higher School of Economics, noted that the Bandera idea is not a media reality, but a social reality. A large part of Ukrainian society was immersed in this social reality, and media methods ensured this reality.
Ukrainians did not have the opportunity for self-realization outside the Bandera paradigm.
"The idea that we will be able to carry out denazification exclusively by media and administrative methods, in my opinion, it is very erroneous," Yevstafyev said.
Russia needs to build a new system of social institutions in Ukraine from scratch, he stressed. In Ukraine, the post-reality of the "cocoon of lies" that was planned to be offered to Europe was tested, the political scientist added."
I've pondered the issue of Denazification since it was announced as a primary SMO goal, Some of the suggestions and realistic observations were very good but not sufficient. It's extremely hard to kill ideas, no matter how vile they are.
It will take at least one full generation once the fighting stops. There must be a generation born that knows security and order without conflict. At the same time there must be a robust promotion of an alternative worldview coupled with exposing the crimes resulting from fascism in Ukraine.
And key is an active eradication of Western efforts to infiltrate Ukraine. The US ran Project Icon, then Project Aerodynamic / QRPLUM in Ukraine before WWII ended and continued through the fall of the USSR. The US CIA also created its largest foreign intelligence operation using German NAZI intelligence officer LtGen Gehlen, who hired former NAZIs to destabilize Ukraine. When those programs were shut down they were replaced by new programs costing over $5 billion supporting the OUN and groups like Right Sector and Svoboda.
It is a complicated long term process made more difficult by a West plotting to destroy Russia through any means possible.
If you kill them they will leave a void, into which they may simply reappear again later. Even if they don't, a whole body of meaning replete with implicit and indirect reference of concepts may become awry with potentially huge consequence downstream. It's best to counter-argue bad ideas with better ones and keep this pointed out until the full living organism of language has moved on enough to organically incorporate the problematic point.
Well noted! Important and scary. But then, this is hardly the first instance of 'western' powers trying to make such a cocoon, merely its latest version update.
Ironically, the Entnazifizierung in Germany after the war was used as a vehicle to destroy and erase much deeper cultural memory of the Germans.
Thanks, Karl.
I shall note that Nazism is more aptly dubbed an ideology, rather than a philosophy, IMO, as it is based on rigid and, as you note, plain wrong ideas which are not being questioned with due diligence.
Excellent. Thank you.
Thanks Karl. This from Maria Z. is profound: "We recognize Nazism immediately and fight it. This is part of our national policy, interests as a state, people, and civilization."
This points to the likelihood that the Russians have internalized a comprehensive understanding of the Nazi person. The antithesis-- a self-aware, humble, generous being-- must be taught from day 1 (birth). The rest of the world can learn a great deal from the Russians.
Yes, that all fits with Putin's drive to ensure strong, loving families as he, his team and Russians generally see what's happening in the Western world they once aspired to join. The next series of articles will bear out the overall point and related policy.
Your points well taken.
Great job, Karl. Thank you.