13 Comments
Jul 1Liked by Karl Sanchez

"Recently, several Congress critters said Chinese students should study liberal arts instead of science as they think Chinese people are unsuitable for employment in the USA in science-related capacities that include engineering, which itself is a very wide field nowadays. So, it’s not just the arms race the Empire’s losing but the basic education that provides the specialists for all industrial jobs—it can’t get enough of its own citizens to enter such fields and has relied on Chinese and Indian students to a very high degree. But with anti-Asian racism on the rise in Congress and across the land, that pool of people is going to shrink."

On this topic, I read somewhere (sorry, but I do not remember where - I read too many articles per day!) that the rationale behind this policy is double:

1. to avoid Chinese people getting highly educated in STEM fields in the US and then going back to their home country, where they could bring technical know-how and possibly even intellectual properties, and...

2. to keep "educating" Chinese people according to Western standards in "liberal arts", so that, when they go back to China, they spread the "liberal Gospel".

Expand full comment
author

We probably read very similar articles. More BS from NASA as this GT article's intro suggests:

"As the US space industry recently faced yet more delays and stagnation with key components including manned spacecraft and space suits "going wrong," NASA has once again resorted to its "sour grapes" rhetoric upon seeing China's successful retrieval of fresh lunar soils from the far side of the moon, by claiming that China did not directly invite its scientists to participate in the lunar soil research. " https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202407/1315190.shtml

Blaming China for a situation that results from US law is delusional along with dishonest. The Empire has some very big problems that can't be resolved by throwing money at them as they need genuine engineering fixes. IMO, if Apollo 13 happened now, the astronauts would never have returned to Earth.

Expand full comment
Jul 1Liked by Karl Sanchez

Liberal arts😂

Expand full comment
author

Just saw this political cartoon. https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202407/1315205.shtml

Expand full comment
Jul 1Liked by Karl Sanchez

I entered college in 1960 and Sputnik led to an emphasis on science and education. I started in mechanical engineering but repetitive exercises in statics were boring. A neighbor of Japanese descent had a PhD in chemistry. That was the first PhD that I recall meeting. He said to study math because it is used in all the sciences. I changed my major to math and 10 years later I had a PhD. There were almost no math teaching jobs in 1973 but I found a job in a start up computer science program at Bucknell University in Pennsylvania. Even though it was a top liberal arts college with an engineering program, they didn't really do interdisciplinary problem solving. I left for Bell Labs in 1978 and worked in a sea of science majors.

Expand full comment
author

As I replied to Ismaele, the current US attitude is poisoning its own pool, https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202407/1315190.shtml

Expand full comment
Jul 1Liked by Karl Sanchez

135 world leaders have received a piece of Lunar sample 10018

Research in the Netherlands has shown that the gift to the queen is fake…

It is a piece of stoned wood.

Perhaps the Chinese can donate a piece of a thousand-year-old egg to Nasa?

Expand full comment

I read this as a Canadian with mixed feelings, admiration, hope, despair, humour, anger.

Thx for posting, fascinating

Expand full comment

The elites of some countries actually want their kids to succeed.

When I grew up had to legally tell us not to eat tide pods, due to lawsuits and pressure. That was the most we ever got.

Expand full comment

I did not see mention of inclusion of Liberal Arts topics in the discussion about engineering-STEM in Russia. I do hope this area of exposure -- to fine literature; to music; to Rhetoric -- is not neglected.

My spouse & sons are gifted and highly educated in engineering/maths. Sons were in the vanguard of "computer science' evolution and were highly-absorbed in the science of the field. Even then, an ancillary concern was, How to create a well-rounded human.

Expand full comment
author

In the Gym's archive are two dozen or so articles dealing with education in Russia, the entire gamut, and its usual high degree of attention to arts and classics is all there. The aim is to develop well-rounded citizens that have deep understanding of Russian masters of all sorts. The emphasis on life-long learning is another key. A rather high number of 30-50 year-olds are engaged in higher level education, not necessarily for PhD, but for life and career enhancement. Houses of Culture are still being constructed and so forth.

An old Russian epithet is to call another uncultured, not "a well-rounded human" and that still holds true today.

Expand full comment
Jul 1Liked by Karl Sanchez

kudos to russia for organizing and moving forward with this... thanks karl..

Expand full comment
Jul 1Liked by Karl Sanchez

This is the way to strengthen present and future sovereignty. Good for Russia!

Expand full comment