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james's avatar

good questions at the end karl... it is difficult to understand the psychology at work in order to answer your questions.. it might be due the strength of the usa and it's political designs after WW2 whereby germany was willing to kowtow to the usa's idea of stationing troops in germany - still ongoing, or any number of other transgressions that are not considered as such.. it certainly seems like one rule for some and a different rule for others which is in keeping with the hypocritical stance that we have witnessed from the west for many years.. i think they would like to continue in this position of dominance and control too, but as we see, many cracks are appearing... thanks for the article.. it's an important topic - revisionist history - that isn't given enough coverage, especially in the west..

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Karl Sanchez's avatar

Thanks james. I've got lots of questions but nobody to ask. IMO, the writer's thesis is valid.

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J M Hatch's avatar

America was popular because it allowed the EU nations to continue colonial exploitation as long as (a) USA got the big slice and (b) the money had to flow through Wall Street. Francophone Africa was given a waiver on the money flow to allow France to off-set West Germany. This lead to the EU's high standard of living. Now the party is over, particularly for France. People think Germany is in a bad situation, but France is going to burn through the money it stole out of Africa in about 5 years unless it can stop the break-up of CFA franc system, and then it's got a nation of people who don't know how to work.

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J Huizinga's avatar

We must first see how (and if) France is able to refinance the massive external debt that is maturing over the next two years. The future of France will evident in much less than 5 years.

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Grasshopper Kaplan's avatar

The question you are asking is why does the Arrogant West hate Russia?

The answer is jealousy, greed, the worst sort of racism of which I cannot speak

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Grasshopper Kaplan's avatar

I told him I am ready to go back to Russia. He was from East Germany, when it still was, and he hated Russia.

He told me there's no dolphin club in Russia. I said, "Who are your talking to? They kicked me out your dammm club for my piana playin. ". He said. at least they let you swim in the bay.

I said I'd fight you over it if you wanted....

That is America. They act like they own the dammm water, the laws notwithstanding....

Freedom to be enslaved , to die, and to be kept silent.

Freedom to not know the 27 millions of my people sacrificed not long ago, and we willingly gave our own flesh blood hearts for your America arrogant West lack of forgiveness of our Russian souls,

God knows,

Since you asked

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Chris Keating's avatar

Good article Karl. One of the things that gets washed away about the Warsaw Pact and its subsequent dissolution is that all of those countries were allied against the USSR and were defeated by them in WW2.

I think the hatred of Communism and fear of its spread among the ruling class was the main driver, so none of those countries were able to feel liberated at the end and were resentful at being kept as a buffer against further incursions from the West. The Cold War just drove a wedge into the cracks that already existed in these countries and anti-communism morphed into the current Russophobia. The exploitative and divisive practices of the US and its Western allies have continued on and here we are today.

On another point, it is interesting to note that the most contested regions in the world are where the Austro-Hungarian and Ottoman Empires were obliterated at the end of WW1 so perhaps we are seeing the dying echoes of that old conflict, with WW2 part of the ongoing process.

Interesting times.

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J Huizinga's avatar

Historians such as Niall Ferguson have long argued that WWii was a continuation of WWi and not a separate confrontation (clue: the protagonists were identical). We are where we are because of the misrepresentations of what was truly happening. It was no coincidence that the “guns of August” began shortly after the creation of the Fed.

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Alex Piano's avatar

Absolutely no coincidence! Thank you for mentioning this!

1.) The Fed started operation in August 2014, the same week WWI started.

2. ) The strategy behind its creation was to pool all the US banks’ gold deposits and to have a powerful central bank with gold reserves ten times larger (!!) than the Bank of England; the British Empire was Americas biggest rival back then.

3.) The German-American cooperation in designing that central bank was widely published and discussed in US media as early as 1907.

4.) Once the Fed was established and ready - - let the German proxies invade France and threaten Britain! The UK and France abandoned the gold standard almost immediately and began printing paper money massively. Same in France - technical bankruptcy of the two colonial powers! Uncle Sam was very pleased.

5.) Something went not as planned when British troops defeated troops of the Ottoman Empire and captured first the Suez Canal in 1917 and more and more territory of today’s Palestine in early 1918. Oil has became a major factor in naval warfare, and the US could not allow the Brits and French to settle right there in the Middle East. I think THIS is the main reason for the US for quickly entering the war and ending it as soon as possible, before the rivals UK+F capture more territory, such as the newly discovered oil wells further East.

6.) Many more unplanned mishaps against America’s imperialist ambitions : The Treaty of Versailles, German reparations, the founding of the League of Nations, the British Empire larger than before WWI and re-entering the gold standard in 1936 (?) - - all that could be reasons that the Great War needed to be repeated, in Uncle Sam’s opinion. And the German Nazis were groomed by the US as early as 1923, I think. German-American cooperation never really ceased by the end of both world wars.

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Karl Sanchez's avatar

Your thesis conflicts greatly with the domestic war waged on German-Americans. That 4+ year-long war is one part of US history that's been covered up very well, but the facts are there for those wanting to know them.

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Alex Piano's avatar

I don't see much of a conflict here, rather similarities to the US-Japanese relationship: Tens of thousand Japanese were put in concentration camps on US soil when - parallel, on a different strategic level - the US kept delivering fuel to Japan so that the Japanese could go capture all the British and Dutch possessions (oil!) in Indochina. Of course, to be snatched from them later, after their defeat. And then becoming "allies" again while covering up the domestic war on Japanese-Americans.

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Karl Sanchez's avatar

I'm very familiar with what happened to Nisei at a personal level. German-Americans numbered in the tens of millions. Many major cities could rightly be called German-American cities prior to 1914. German was the second most spoken language in the nation and many newspapers were exclusively published in German. Same with many schools providing instruction 100% in German. And so forth. As I said, the repression of German-Americans is known by few. Nothing like that happened during the Hitler Era.

Note how ALL US Crimes Against Humanity are suppressed to the point where they have almost disappeared. Cancel Culture says So What; that was all in the past, a past we had nothing to do with. But of course, that past matters greatly as the behavior that drove those atrocities drives today's.

Dr. Hudson did respond and wrote the following:

"It’s a bit reductionist in its focus on Germany. My Super-Imperialism shows that Britain’s balance of trade would have plunged in any case. Germany was marginal and secondary.

"Of course, the US sought to avoid inflation in Germany, and the only businessmen around had been Nazis in the war.

"Regarding the rest of the comment, I just haven’t followed that period closely re energy and where Germany got its oil."

We all have holes in our historical knowledge. Thd etranscript from his latest podcast with Nima and Wolff is now at his website, https://michael-hudson.com/

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Alex Piano's avatar

Thank you for your and Hudson's response.

I bow to his life's work as an economist and activist and still watch many of his presentations.

We all have holes in our knowledge, but the holes about Germany’s and Japan’s need for fuel as well as their suppliers need to be closed. It’s crucial for understanding history and geopolitics.

For example, each of the 49,500 German tanks in operation during WWII consumed between 200 and 700 liters of gasoline, per 100 kilometers. That’s 1.17 to 0.34 miles per US gallon.

Germany’s and Japan’s need for refined fuel were GIGANTIC. And neither country had access to oil nor the refineries that could handle such astronomic volumes for their military.

QUESTION: Where did all the fuel come from? Who were the suppliers?

If someone likes to dig a bit deeper, keep me posted!

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Diana van Eyk's avatar

Karl, this is something I think about all the time. Looking at how things are being misrepresented now begs the question of how WWII has been framed.

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retka's avatar

Why does the West have a twisted World War 2 history?

Because contrary to official propaganda, the "democratic" West covertly recruited, embraced and deployed fascists from Nazi Germany, Italy, and Japan as allies after World War 2 in order to wage the First Cold War.

Or as Soviet General Georgy Zhukov put it: "We have liberated Europe from fascism, but they will never forgive us for it."

The U.S. Did Not Defeat Fascism in WWII, It Discretely Internationalized It

https://www.counterpunch.org/2020/10/16/the-u-s-did-not-defeat-fascism-in-wwii-it-discretely-internationalized-it/

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Karl Sanchez's avatar

And the actions taken post-WW2 weren't even very secret then, although some very key facts were kept from the public--the devastation wrought by the atomic bombings of Japan being most important.

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Alex Piano's avatar

Hmm, this is hard to answer. I would like to throw in some facts that are not really well-known. Maybe they will shed some light on the real intentions of the US in Europe after WWII. From what I remember when I studied history and economics in Berlin in the 1990s:

- The United States knew by Summer 1945 that the industrial capacity of Germany was bigger than in 1938. (Barely damaged, the German industry was idle from 1945 through early 1948 only because of lack of fuel and because of a ruined, worthless currency.)

- The United States continued to use West Germany’s barely damaged export power to further bankrupt the British and French Empires per economic warfare after 1948: The key was a monetary policy that kept the new Deutschmark (DM) scarce in West Germany to hold inflation way below the inflation rates of France and UK. This resulted in chronic current account deficits in western Europe and gigantic surpluses for West Germany, as early as 1948.

- Already in 1955, just ten years after WWII, West Germany became the country with the second largest gold reserves in the world, after the US. Trapped in the Bretton Woods system, to maintain fixed exchange rates, France and UK had to permanently defend their currencies by throwing their gold reserves into the Forex markets. Continuously on the verge of bankruptcy, they also lost many of their colonies, to be picked up by US business quickly.

(West Germany, on the other hand, simply printed DM to sell this highly attractive paper money for gold and foreign paper currencies, for similar reasons: maintaining fixed exchange rates within the Bretton Woods system. Lucky bastards!)

- The US occupiers released almost all German Nazis from prisons in January 1951. Nazis and collaborators dominated the West German economy, the judiciary, and to some extent even politics until the 1970s.

- Germany was very useful to make the United States an empire already during the war, as the war efforts ruined the supremacies of the British pound and the French franc; they had to abandon the gold standard again and, like in WWI, had to print paper money like crazy. That’s why American oil business kept supplying Germany under Hitler with fuel at least until June 1944 in the same manner they kept fueling Japan’s military until Summer 1941. Both countries didn’t have any other access to oil. At the end of WWII, the US had 65% of the world gold reserves in their own vaults. In my opinion, one of the main reasons for their support of Germany and Japan during WWII.

- I think everyone here knows about Operation Paperclip, about Operation Gladio, and about the planned bombing of 200 Soviet cities with nukes in the 1950s by using West Germany as the place from where US bombers would take off. Not to forget these details either.

I personally think the Nazis have never been really defeated. Then as now, they are useful idiots of the US empire. Especially in Germany and Ukraine.

Thank you, Karl, for your great questions and for Aleksandar Vulin's important POV!

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Karl Sanchez's avatar

As one commentator noted, we need to look at the World Wars as a continuum with roots in the late 1870s early 1880s as the USA looked to become a Maritime Empire to rival England. The power of American Exceptionalism and Manifest Destiny was every bit as strong as Hitler's Aryan Nationalism and Kaiser Wilhelm's German/Teutonic Racialism. And the Austrians were Germanic too, but not the Hungarians.

I'm going to submit your comment to Dr. Hudson to solicit his thoughts if you don't mind. If he replies, I'll let you know what he said.

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Alex Piano's avatar

To Dr. Hudson? He is one of my heroes, and I would be thrilled to know what he thinks. Let's see.

I would put the roots of that war continuum a little earlier. American oligarch-owned newspapers displayed massively imperialist ambitions already in the 1840s and 1850s, especially after UK's adoption of the gold standard in 1844 and after Victor Hugo's "United States of Europe" speech in 1849 that upset a lot the US establishment.

Keep in touch!

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Die Untermensche's avatar

And after the defeat of Germany, the Soviet Union proposes that a final peace treaty be settled with Germany, the occupying powers and Germany's neighbors and the withdrawal of all occupation forces, but the US refuses to negotiate, setting Europe on a path towards the Cold War https://stolzuntermenschen.substack.com/p/falsificators-of-history-part-3

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Die Untermensche's avatar

We still constantly see references to Germany and the Soviet Union "jointly" conspiring to invade and divide up Poland. This is nothing more than an attempt to make the Soviet Union jointly responsible for starting the Second World War. https://stolzuntermenschen.substack.com/p/falstificators-of-history-part-2

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Davy Ro's avatar

Being a British citizen, you might be surprised to know. I have a lot more knowledge of the facts of WW2. Than the lies, propaganda & falsehoods spewed by most Western historians. We only have to witness the head of the EU speak. To hear the real thoughts & opinions of German hierarchy. It's like listening to a direct descendant of their Uncle Adolf. Theirs only 1 explanation why she has the position she holds. To push the agendas the elites in the West want her to. Soros has far too much input on these matters also, he is one of many. The West is sinking fast through these people & their agendas. Maybe the brain washed zombies will wake up to this fact. But I doubt it.

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James A Foleyи's avatar

First, the war in the West was very different from the war in the East: the aims of the Germans were genocidal from the beginning - we all know about the 'Ost' plan. The loss of life was enormous in the East. The Nazis found collaborators everywhere who helped them to realise their plans (even in the Channel Islands, the only small part of the UK occupied by the Germans, the British police helped the Germans find the three jews who lived there, gave them orders to assemble at the docks from where they were deported to France and on to Auschwitz, where they were murdered).

Second, the peace was very different: the US emerged from the conflict as the richest nation in world history; they understood immediately that the peace would be a trial of systems and had the money to ensure that living standards in the West were far superior to those in the East - this provision of wealth and freedoms financially based on Bretton Woods, continued (admittedly, this became progressively more difficult for the Europeans after the Nixon Shock) until the collapse of the Soviet Union. Today, we are seeing our freedoms eroded day by day precisely because the West's 'victory' in the Cold War means the rulers no longer have to worry about providing any real objective basis for the illusions of 'democracy' (we still get the narrative, of course).

Continued attraction to the West among countries in Eastern Europe is maintained through two policies: the possibility of membership in the EU and the promised improvement in living standards (which, of course, since 2003 has meant accession to NATO); 'soft power' - this has been based on the return of the fascists who collaborated with the Nazis, or at least their offspring, NGOs and their interference and influence in society, media and education systems and the ongoing distortion of history and the constant reminders of real and perceived past injustices to make sure anybody in any position of influence hates Russia.

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lydistan's avatar

Rumsfelds New Europe...still in the making....

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Die Untermensche's avatar

Secret negotiations between the western allies and the Nazis for a separate peace followed by a combined surprise attack on the Soviet Union. Operation Unthinkable is scoped by the UK government. https://stolzuntermenschen.substack.com/p/falsificators-of-history-part-4

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Die Untermensche's avatar

This is why I started writing the Falsificators of History series as it is clear that a wholesale rewriting of history occurred, starting before the Second World War and continued thereafter.

https://stolzuntermenschen.substack.com/p/falsificators-of-history-part-1

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Loon's avatar

You make a very good point about many feeling free under the German “Nazi” .

Agreement.

Nice distinction about what happened .

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Jennifer Holik's avatar

Thanks for sharing this. I'm a WWII researcher, writer, teacher and an ancestral healer. This article makes a lot of good points and asks a lot of deep questions which I think we should sit with. One thing that hit me especially was about the words we use to describe Germany; the revisionist history (I realized the Dutch certainly did this for their WWII history when Band of Brothers came out); the generational trauma and story descendants believe and share about their ancestors' role in the war. So much to think about. I will be diving deeper into this to see what else I discover.

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