Lavrov’s Iranian counterpart Ahmed Bagheri-Kyani phoned him this morning to talk about the most recent atrocities committed by the Zionists and that Iran would invoke UN Article 51 in its response.
It's been my contention from the get-go that NATO wanted a war in Ukraine, going toe-to-toe with Russia, mad as that may seem to the sane of this world: time has NOT changed my opinion. Frankly, there are no good outcomes here as the west escalates and Russia responds which the west seems to see this as some sort of weakness. Insanity! Buy, hey, look at the quality of the western diplomats... I mean, dear God, better quality fell out my dog's arse, and they're supposed to go and talk to Lavrov and Rybakov. Men vs boys....
I understand, and I keep a certain distance myself, because: what can you do? The political class either ignore us or piss on out head - just look at the opening ceremony of the Olympics..
That said, I think the future is bleak. I'm Christian, so I have that futuristic mindset set out in Revelation always in the back of my mind, and I don't care how anyone wants to try and slice and dice it, but there's just too much stuff going on in reflection of Jesus' warning in Matthew 24. It ain't good....
Alon Mizrahi, an Israeli, is well worth reading here [h/t nakedcapitalism.com
Israel Is Already Over - What is left is contaminated memories, apparitions and foreign interests
He concludes:
Israel may still appear to be functioning for a while, but it is mostly brain dead (its Air Force and PR departments are all that remain, and they, too, are on life support ). It has a pulse but no cognition, judgment, or will. All it would take to finish it is one healthy nudge or one semi-serious blow. It has very little life remaining in it, and zero vitality. For most intents and purposes, and especially morally and politically, Israel is already over.
The Zionist strategy is founded on the belief that Israel will always be protected by the United States (a term including its ragbag of 'allies') and that, like the Soviet Union, Palestine's friends will always back down first.
This is no longer a reasonable belief. The only powers that the US and Israel have which frighten foreigners are, Finance and nuclear weapons. The Finance card, sanctions etc, has been worn out- neither Russia nor China is afraid of sanctions any more, in fact it is ready to take the US on in this arena.
In military terms Iran is not vulnerable to the US if China/Russia are ready to provide it with nuclear deterrence. I believe that this point has now been reached and that Washington knows that any nuclear attack will lead to immediate nuclear reprisals.
The big change is that the imperialist side, after farcical expeditions against Iraq and Afghanistan, (to say nothing of Ukraine) is now regarded as a paper tiger in conventional warfare, just like Israel.
In other words the Axis of Resistance is quite capable of sorting this matter out and wiping Israel off the map- all it requires is that the US should refrain from using nuclear weapons. Israel may have a nuclear arsenal but it has no means of delivering its contents without direct US assistance.
This needs clarification, if such is available. The zionists also have subs which can, I think, fire cruise missiles - are they nuclear capable? Are there medium range missiles in silos for nukes? Does the US have (joint?) control over nuclear triggers?
Provided a helping left hand through the whole process really sir it appears to me.
Trying to not get overly woo in this reply. Starting with that dirty naval subcontractor factory in Pennsylvania that shipped the OG batches of enriched uranium over there... When the missing stock was discovered, the atomic energy commission provided cover by claiming 127 pounds of liquified enriched material may have had actually run off into the Kiski River!
NUMEC(*) was the factory, in Apollo(*) PA. Vela(*) detector satellites supposedly captured their testing even, as did the DOD/ARPA Arecibo(*) telescope. Dated intel fische scans the larger 35mm ones state Jericho missiles and Phantom/Kfir jets were delivery methods. 20kt yield. October 9th 1973 they were armed and airborne and almost used? 13 of them went up. The Soviets almost moved unilaterally against israel the end of that month because of this, the us went defcon3 that day. Not sure about that claim.
The pharisees would absolutely use them, are the Russians again willing to prevent catastrophe? Them hints to Pepe a while back may tell us they're still seriously threatened or concerned. Hopefully. Hopefully humanity still has someone in a position of global power actually interested in the best interest of humans or at least nations that that will act in self-preservation.
I honestly know little of the topic only what I've read over the years, and it's not anything good to be caught interested in. I wouldn't mind reading any informed replies or rebuttals to anything I claimed however. This may not be the proper place as this went off-topic. I wouldn't doubt there's newer info on the history of their weapons and perhaps info about their modern stock.
It was Mearsheimer's book about their lobby containing a lot of this. Victor Gilinsky as well. I don't believe I've said anything unverifiable yet it I'm failing to cite anything.
I edited a paper done on South Africa's WMD program and its liaison with the Zionists, and it was amazing how close SA became thanks ultimately to the Empire since it had its hands in that partnership too as his source documents revealed. And that paper was written 20 years ago. A huge fact swept under a very thick rug, the Outlaw US Empire's enabling the Zionists nuke program.
Remarkable! Absolutely I recall the testing was by or with SA. I never dug into the manufacturing of the material into weapons but SA was all throughout every source as being an integral conspirator.
The national security archive at GWU still contains a sampling of a lot declassified FOIA requests giving a damning view of the actions and inactions that enabled the dangerous mess we're now in. This is but only one of many summaries archived. Thanks Karl all for your work.
I read a lot of books about a lot of different wars growing up, and it always amazed me how often everyone walked into the war with no idea in their head of what they had started. “We’ll just nip over here and Spank the Bear for a bit, keep him in place” or “we need to demonstrate the sovereignty of the historic Austria-Hungarian Empire! Some sternly warded communiques will surely do the trick!”
Lavrov has to say what he has to say in his role as chief diplomat. But it should be clear to everyone that the "old world order" will not voluntarily make way for the "new world order". Because the "old world order" only knows violence, there will be no peaceful solution. Until yesterday, I had hoped that Iran, Russia and China had a plan to defeat Israel and the USA without war. But when I read Medvedev's statement, it was clear to me that it would be war. A war that started in 2014. I don't think Medvedev is an insane clown, but a messenger who says what Putin, in his function, is not allowed to say. If that weren't the case, Medvedev would have been out of his job on the Security Council a long time ago.
How long have Iran, Russia and China been preparing for the possibility of war against the USA? And there are intelligent people working there who are knowledgeable.
This war, if it actually breaks out, will expand enormously. It will not be limited to the region of Israel's neighboring countries. The USA and Israel can only lose. The USA will collapse and Israel's existence as a state will be threatened. So at the very least Israel will use nuclear weapons. The UN will continue to fail in its task. As a result, there is the possibility of the end of the UN.
The effects of the war on the economy and ultimately on people worldwide will be terrible. After that, Black Rock & Co. and the IT corporations want to sell and realize their CBDC + Social Score as a "humanistic rescue measure".
If people in the US understood en masse that we are being permanently screwed, then there could be a rescue from this dystopia.
Why do I emphasize: "in the USA"? Because their willing vassals hold their peoples in an iron grip.
Thank you heikomr. Agreed, there is a high probability that Israel will use a nuke or two. But I do not see this or any other vile shenanigan from USAI being fatal to the UN. After all to cripple the UN is precisely what the USA has been on about for the past few decades, they detest it and all forms of 'governing' control. That is why they dominate it and render it supine and useless. Consider what Bolton did to the OPCW Director to force his resignation and you will see that they will stop at nothing. Consider what the neoliberal USA has done to each of its government agencies whereby these days they are powerless ghosts of their former capacity to regulate big business. This is what the rules based order is all about - there are no rules that can be permitted to bring order to the market place.
The Global South and the East and the entire Non Aligned states need an atmosphere of coordination and trust in which to thrive and the UN just needs to be freed from the suffocating ignorance of the UKUSA and vassals. The sooner the better! And I feel certain that they will stand as one and reform the UN machine as necessary and on the run as the coming months reveal.
At today's Security Council meeting, Lavrov was the lead descriptor of the situation that Putin opened: "I would ask you in addition to planned issues to discuss and dwell on the most relevant events of recent times." And we know what those events were. The timestamp on the Kremlin's readout was 13:30 Moscow time.
As for the larger scenario heikomr describes, it would be folly for Russia and China to not have an agreed upon plan for response. I have a rather good idea of how the joint Iran-Hezbollah response will be done, but so will the defenders. I doubt NATO has enough assets in region to completely defend the Zionists, for the sort of sustained attack I envision would require over $10 billion in equipment expenditures--5X the amount spent the first time.
The crisis of incompetence within the derp state continues. US and Israeli behavior about other people’s red lines is still built on an assumption that no one will ever fight back because of the reputation of their militaries. Both for force projection and lack of concern for civilian casualties.
But it’s not 1999 anymore or even 2010. Israel is playing from a position of absolute weakness. At almost 10 months a military designed to fight short wars hasn’t done anything except wreck stuff and wanton genocide of civilians. And at that capability is fraying. A real war in Lebanon with pipelines of weapons and fighters rather than besieged Gaza is a non-starter. The US isn’t positioned much better and has a string of vulnerable assets it needs in west Asia.
Netanyahu is May well end up bringing down the empire, but he’s not dragging it. Everyone important on both sides of aisle is begging for a ticket on the ride. When IS forces are required on the ground, they’ll be sent and they’ll lose defending a genocidal colony.
Applying the UN Article 51 and then some is an excellent strategy. Indeed it is really only by utilising the UN framework of relations between states that the outlaw US empire and the outlaw Occupier Imposter of Israel can be reduced to next to useless. The rules based order was always busted flush intended to knacker the UN. When Israel is whipped into defeat and the 21st Century exodus from the holy land meets up with the Ukrainian exodus from the freezer -all in the west- then there will be justice. :))
I have a song for all those believing in justice here: The Chimes of Freedom, sung by the poet himself
Nasrallah has said that the future depends on Israel's response to the AOR response. That tells me that the AOR response will be measured, not overwhelming. This is not to say a regional war will be avoided, just that the AOR will take only one or two steps up, but not upend, the escalation ladder. I would also mention that looming over the direct, insane, strictly military consequences of a general war involving Iran are the economic consequences: Iran closes the Strait of Hormuz and the bulk of the world's oil supply is turned off--instant worldwide energy madness that will reflect onto every area of the world's economy. I mean holy cow!
In all the previous wars between Zionists and West Asian nations, Iran was never involved. That dynamic will soon change, although it appears this will be an Islamic-Zionist War led by Shia. I recall an MoA commentator who argued for Iran to use its far more powerful army against Imperial assets in the region. IMO, the coming oil shock will be selective, like the Empire's sanctions.
Perhaps one could take that to mean methodical more so than limited. Think Iraq, Syria, Jordan, Egypt, Pakistan, etc as potential areas of relevance.
I have no idea what will happen. But it should be clear even to the most sleepy and hesitant outside observers that:
- Israeli gov has repeatedly slammed the door on any path to compromise
- Israeli official strategy is centered on continued escalations, to draw in the US, and postpone the Israeli state's reckoning for crimes of genocide, ethnic cleansing, war crimes, and sundry abuses typical of Apartheid regimes familiar from not so old history
- US under Biden, Trump, or Kamala (plus Josh Shapiro??) will do nothing substantial to stop this, and that all branches of the US federal government continues with the blank-check support, looking-the-other-way on mega crimes, and blocking justice mechanisms in vassal countries in G7
- in spite of public opinion, many world governments continue to carry water for the US, and therefore indirectly for the criminal Israeli regime
- From the latter two points, waiting for the ICC or ICJ to "do their work" is a plainly unrealistic hope
- Incidentally, this state of affairs does nothing positive whatever for Jews around the world - who will get blamed for Israeli gov's crimes regardless of their own position (often considerably less aggressive than that of the Israeli right in the country itself). And as unfortunate as this dynamic already is baked in to a degree, it still has a ways to go getting even worse, if/when Washington continues to give Tel Aviv permission to do anything they want - which in practice is inevitably revolves around further escalation and atrocities in the vain hope of asserting dominance. For one thing, the bulk of the Gaza population may not survive into next summer, if the status quo is maintained. However, there aren't really any political means for any organization to arise from this, since the Israeli Right in the US cemented their position with the more numerous Christian fundamentalists, who think there's not much to lose in the whole thing.
As for Iran and Lebanon ... I think it must be clear to both them and to third parties worldwide, that confronting Israel without also confronting US power in the region, is a fool's errand. Hence one would have to wonder if the way to untangle the knot is to first undo the region's regimes which are in the pocket of the US. It will happen sooner or later, would be quite a feat if done at this time tho.
Elsewhere I wrote none of the region's fence-sitting regimes would be able to do that any longer when the wider war breaks out. Medvedev's comment on X was quite correct and Russia's Security Council met this morning to talk about just that. It's been a busy day for me which has kept me from composing an article, although it's about the EU situation based on some new sources.
My take on the meaning of SMO (Special Military Operation) is not that it has stated goals such as 'Denazification' or 'Demilitarization' but that it is the use of military force against a state without declaring and prosecuting full War against that State. Because if full War were declared, then immediate mass bombardment would no doubt ensue leading rapidly to nuclear exchanges. Basically, an SMO allows a belligerent to fight things out on the ground without trying to go all-out to cripple or destroy the adversary.
Of course also: 'demilitarization' implies the complete defeat of the State since only a completely defeated State would become 'demilitarized'. I haven't read Iran said this, but if they state their intention is to DeZionify Israel that is the same as complete conquest.
William Schreyer shares my opinion. People in the USA must finally understand that it doesn't matter who gets to be president. It's a systemic problem.
"But as I repeatedly observe, there are no easy wars left to fight. The US could concentrate enough military might to undertake a single brief campaign in ONE PLACE, and one place only. So pick your poison: Russia, China, or Iran. And remember, it is now a “buy one enemy, get two free” scenario, as I wrote about earlier this year: All for One and One for All.
Regardless of the choice the Masters of Empire ultimately make, the end result will be the most devastating military defeat the United States has suffered since its founding, and it will be effectively demilitarized for at least a generation.
Ends of empire always attest complex and unpredictable events, and the trajectory is always from bad to worse.
So strap yourselves in tightly, brothers and sisters. Gird up your loins and steel your hearts and minds. It's going to be an extremely bumpy ride on the road to Har Megiddo."
A very deep and dense podcast about two years or so ago featuring Drs Bill Black and Michael Hudson posited flat out that Wall Street--Big Money/The Money Power--owned all three branches of the federal government, with the main problem being too few people being capable of seeing/understanding that ugly truth. Now, we all know Big Money people don't know the first thing about fighting wars or even how to properly go about the formation of proper security forces and the vast infrastructure needed for their construction and maintenance. Martyanov has railed on about all that for a decade, but not about the ultimate cause. Too few people within the Outlaw US Empire are aware of the genuine facts and how they came to be the way they are. And those that do ask questions don't know where to obtain truthful answers. One of the huge barriers is the Truth is something that's hard to swallow, that's why it's called The Bitter Truth. Many find it more comforting to remain ignorant or vote for the Lesser Evil instead of for candidates that share their values.
So, will the Outlaw US Empire end with a whimper or a bang or some of both? And when might that occur? Or is the whimpering portion already happening?
" Now, we all know Big Money people don't know the first thing about fighting wars or even how to properly go about the formation of proper security forces and the vast infrastructure needed for their construction and maintenance. "
Are you sure about that? As far as I can tell, Big Money has been behind just about every major war in the modern (Western) era, and they have won every single one because they win every time there is a war - which side winning or losing being almost entirely irrelevant.
But there are counter currents which may have considerably more weight going forward
There are new initiatives for peace talks in Ukraine in China, and now in India - and expressions of peace talks between China and India which may well revive the power of the original Trilateral relationships, and go a long way to stabilise the region against US aggressions
It appears that ASEAN is finding new depths of expression (as per your link of Singapore's mistrust and dislike of US policies) and increased tightening of partnerships and agreements with Russia, as per the Indonesia President-elect’s visit to Moscow you reported on the other day
Many countries, or their ruling classes, that once were under the sway of malign US control, are now inkling towards attempts at better governance and more reasonable foreign relations
Even Kurt Campbell appears to recognize something of this
“India is “probably the most important relationship for the United States to get right,” Campbell said at a Senate Foreign Relations Committee hearing on Tuesday, adding that the Indian diaspora in the US is a powerful connection.
Highlighting India’s desire to be an independent state, he admitted that “the hardest thing to keep in mind is that India is also a great power. It has its own beliefs, its own interests.”
“[India] will never be a formal ally or partner in the United States, but it doesn’t mean that we cannot have the strongest of possible relationships as allied nations on the global stage,” Campbell remarked.
He also expects India to engage more directly in Ukraine, lauding New Delhi’s efforts to “play a responsible role globally.”
The problem is US Imperial Dogma and Policy--no peers, only competitors/enemies. Either you're subordinate to us or you're against us to rephrase Bush's Diktat. What do you think made Modi alter his policy?
Modi and the Ambani élites, there are a lot of Anglo Indians and Amercian Indians in India, they talk down on the poor natives as if sophisticates to their inferiors
Until the ridiculously inept saga of the Sikh dissident killings, when the US mushed up a clumsy hash that revealed racist incapability and invasion of Indian sovereignty -
Modi was lost, temporarily
I believe the change came from the courage he took to go talk to VVP – I think VVP told him straight up the only way out of his predicament was to re affirm the reasonable self interest of collaborative Asian alliance partnership and development against the gangster colonialists
VVP must have said I spent 10 years trying to make an agreement with them…..
Yes, and expecially when you do so to the evident benefit of your nation and their allies
That is to say the RF managed the India swings and roundabouts relations with the US, their evident succumbing to colonialistic propaganda, without, as far as one knows, reproach or bitterness - but with patience only
India's civilizations (plural intended) may be old, but as a nation-state it remains young and naive, and Putin well understands the seductions used by the Empire.
That was one of the most futile attacks that sections of the US gmvt class made when attempting to force the Indian government into submission on the subject of Sikh seperatists killings – the US and Canada are keeping up the pressure on India, which can be regarded as blackmail
Decolonisation in the contemporary USnik style, for the country to be broken up, not in the classic
As per the similar accusations and pressures on the RF
There are hundreds of thousands of minorities that make up India
While it is true that currently the class structure of society is very harsh on the poor and especially on the peasant
And there is a borderlands problem, even excepting the one with China, and there is a Hindu Muslim problem
The US also tried on it’s usual ‘Human Rights’ bla bla, but stopped short I think of insisting India install the full LBGTQ+T package
Witness this very long 2023 US State Dept report on India – amplified by the usual suspects
For contrast the China Global Times 2023 report on Modi’s new parliament to replace the British one, and other changes – the real decolonisation from Britain efforts still ongoing in India
The US so called decolonisation PR was an attempt to mitigate the general rejection of the West that the Indian process exemplified
It's been my contention from the get-go that NATO wanted a war in Ukraine, going toe-to-toe with Russia, mad as that may seem to the sane of this world: time has NOT changed my opinion. Frankly, there are no good outcomes here as the west escalates and Russia responds which the west seems to see this as some sort of weakness. Insanity! Buy, hey, look at the quality of the western diplomats... I mean, dear God, better quality fell out my dog's arse, and they're supposed to go and talk to Lavrov and Rybakov. Men vs boys....
I try to not scare my wife as she has enough stress with her job; but yes, the outcomes look very gloomy from my POV.
I understand, and I keep a certain distance myself, because: what can you do? The political class either ignore us or piss on out head - just look at the opening ceremony of the Olympics..
That said, I think the future is bleak. I'm Christian, so I have that futuristic mindset set out in Revelation always in the back of my mind, and I don't care how anyone wants to try and slice and dice it, but there's just too much stuff going on in reflection of Jesus' warning in Matthew 24. It ain't good....
US policy is folly. Here's an excellent example, https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202408/1317238.shtml
This is a very pertinent link - thank you
Keep on Rockin’ in the Free World!
Anthony Blinkin makin the world safe for boomer rock!!
Zionism has to be fought.
Alon Mizrahi, an Israeli, is well worth reading here [h/t nakedcapitalism.com
Israel Is Already Over - What is left is contaminated memories, apparitions and foreign interests
He concludes:
Israel may still appear to be functioning for a while, but it is mostly brain dead (its Air Force and PR departments are all that remain, and they, too, are on life support ). It has a pulse but no cognition, judgment, or will. All it would take to finish it is one healthy nudge or one semi-serious blow. It has very little life remaining in it, and zero vitality. For most intents and purposes, and especially morally and politically, Israel is already over.
https://alonmizrahi.substack.com/p/israel-is-already-over
Too bad it has a paywall.
Thank you Don Firineach, That was a magnificent link to alonmizrahi. So brilliantly expressed. May it all come to pass.
The Zionist strategy is founded on the belief that Israel will always be protected by the United States (a term including its ragbag of 'allies') and that, like the Soviet Union, Palestine's friends will always back down first.
This is no longer a reasonable belief. The only powers that the US and Israel have which frighten foreigners are, Finance and nuclear weapons. The Finance card, sanctions etc, has been worn out- neither Russia nor China is afraid of sanctions any more, in fact it is ready to take the US on in this arena.
In military terms Iran is not vulnerable to the US if China/Russia are ready to provide it with nuclear deterrence. I believe that this point has now been reached and that Washington knows that any nuclear attack will lead to immediate nuclear reprisals.
The big change is that the imperialist side, after farcical expeditions against Iraq and Afghanistan, (to say nothing of Ukraine) is now regarded as a paper tiger in conventional warfare, just like Israel.
In other words the Axis of Resistance is quite capable of sorting this matter out and wiping Israel off the map- all it requires is that the US should refrain from using nuclear weapons. Israel may have a nuclear arsenal but it has no means of delivering its contents without direct US assistance.
Israel is not going to be around for much longer and, as David Hearst points out as it faces reality it is likely to regret that the moderate and generous brother Haniyah is no longer around to negotiate with https://www.defenddemocracy.press/ismail-haniyeh-killing-netanyahus-only-goal-is-to-set-the-region-on-fire/
Ahab after the White Whale.
Thanks for the link. A new source for me at least.
"Israel may have a nuclear arsenal but it has no means of delivering its contents without direct US assistance."
I'm not convinced of the latter part of your assertion - because I simply do not know enough to consider it plausible.
IMO, technically bevin's correct as it's US provided equipment like the F-35 that makes Zionist delivery possible
This needs clarification, if such is available. The zionists also have subs which can, I think, fire cruise missiles - are they nuclear capable? Are there medium range missiles in silos for nukes? Does the US have (joint?) control over nuclear triggers?
Provided a helping left hand through the whole process really sir it appears to me.
Trying to not get overly woo in this reply. Starting with that dirty naval subcontractor factory in Pennsylvania that shipped the OG batches of enriched uranium over there... When the missing stock was discovered, the atomic energy commission provided cover by claiming 127 pounds of liquified enriched material may have had actually run off into the Kiski River!
NUMEC(*) was the factory, in Apollo(*) PA. Vela(*) detector satellites supposedly captured their testing even, as did the DOD/ARPA Arecibo(*) telescope. Dated intel fische scans the larger 35mm ones state Jericho missiles and Phantom/Kfir jets were delivery methods. 20kt yield. October 9th 1973 they were armed and airborne and almost used? 13 of them went up. The Soviets almost moved unilaterally against israel the end of that month because of this, the us went defcon3 that day. Not sure about that claim.
The pharisees would absolutely use them, are the Russians again willing to prevent catastrophe? Them hints to Pepe a while back may tell us they're still seriously threatened or concerned. Hopefully. Hopefully humanity still has someone in a position of global power actually interested in the best interest of humans or at least nations that that will act in self-preservation.
I honestly know little of the topic only what I've read over the years, and it's not anything good to be caught interested in. I wouldn't mind reading any informed replies or rebuttals to anything I claimed however. This may not be the proper place as this went off-topic. I wouldn't doubt there's newer info on the history of their weapons and perhaps info about their modern stock.
It was Mearsheimer's book about their lobby containing a lot of this. Victor Gilinsky as well. I don't believe I've said anything unverifiable yet it I'm failing to cite anything.
Blessings and stay safe brothers and sisters.
* = dark links.
I edited a paper done on South Africa's WMD program and its liaison with the Zionists, and it was amazing how close SA became thanks ultimately to the Empire since it had its hands in that partnership too as his source documents revealed. And that paper was written 20 years ago. A huge fact swept under a very thick rug, the Outlaw US Empire's enabling the Zionists nuke program.
Remarkable! Absolutely I recall the testing was by or with SA. I never dug into the manufacturing of the material into weapons but SA was all throughout every source as being an integral conspirator.
The national security archive at GWU still contains a sampling of a lot declassified FOIA requests giving a damning view of the actions and inactions that enabled the dangerous mess we're now in. This is but only one of many summaries archived. Thanks Karl all for your work.
https://nsarchive.gwu.edu/briefing-book/nuclear-vault/2016-11-02/numec-affair-did-highly-enriched-uranium-us-aid-israels-nuclear-weapons-program
You'll want to read this, https://www.sott.net/article/426371-Declassified-after-56-years-JFK-was-engaged-in-existential-battle-with-Israel-over-its-nuclear-weapons-program
And here one from the NSA, https://nsarchive.gwu.edu/briefing-book/nuclear-vault/2019-05-02/battle-letters-1963-john-f-kennedy-david-ben-gurion-levi-eshkol-us-inspections-dimona
This news item from last year sums up the current international law status, https://english.almayadeen.net/news/politics/jfk-wanted-to-curb-israeli-nuclear-activity-in-dimona-was-re
I read a lot of books about a lot of different wars growing up, and it always amazed me how often everyone walked into the war with no idea in their head of what they had started. “We’ll just nip over here and Spank the Bear for a bit, keep him in place” or “we need to demonstrate the sovereignty of the historic Austria-Hungarian Empire! Some sternly warded communiques will surely do the trick!”
Here we go again….
You’re right Karl. A lot of these countries want to play both sides but that strategy is running out of roadway.
Yes. And nobody wants to be the last to the fire exit. There's a race - western financial collapse or initiating WWIII.
Moral depravity!
The only thing worse is Reagan killing Qaddafi's 7 year old daughter with F-111s.
The US has advanced!
To a deeper level of depravity.
Did a Christian man in Germany 1943 feel as I feel?
Shame!
Lavrov has to say what he has to say in his role as chief diplomat. But it should be clear to everyone that the "old world order" will not voluntarily make way for the "new world order". Because the "old world order" only knows violence, there will be no peaceful solution. Until yesterday, I had hoped that Iran, Russia and China had a plan to defeat Israel and the USA without war. But when I read Medvedev's statement, it was clear to me that it would be war. A war that started in 2014. I don't think Medvedev is an insane clown, but a messenger who says what Putin, in his function, is not allowed to say. If that weren't the case, Medvedev would have been out of his job on the Security Council a long time ago.
Addition:
How long have Iran, Russia and China been preparing for the possibility of war against the USA? And there are intelligent people working there who are knowledgeable.
This war, if it actually breaks out, will expand enormously. It will not be limited to the region of Israel's neighboring countries. The USA and Israel can only lose. The USA will collapse and Israel's existence as a state will be threatened. So at the very least Israel will use nuclear weapons. The UN will continue to fail in its task. As a result, there is the possibility of the end of the UN.
The effects of the war on the economy and ultimately on people worldwide will be terrible. After that, Black Rock & Co. and the IT corporations want to sell and realize their CBDC + Social Score as a "humanistic rescue measure".
If people in the US understood en masse that we are being permanently screwed, then there could be a rescue from this dystopia.
Why do I emphasize: "in the USA"? Because their willing vassals hold their peoples in an iron grip.
Thank you heikomr. Agreed, there is a high probability that Israel will use a nuke or two. But I do not see this or any other vile shenanigan from USAI being fatal to the UN. After all to cripple the UN is precisely what the USA has been on about for the past few decades, they detest it and all forms of 'governing' control. That is why they dominate it and render it supine and useless. Consider what Bolton did to the OPCW Director to force his resignation and you will see that they will stop at nothing. Consider what the neoliberal USA has done to each of its government agencies whereby these days they are powerless ghosts of their former capacity to regulate big business. This is what the rules based order is all about - there are no rules that can be permitted to bring order to the market place.
The Global South and the East and the entire Non Aligned states need an atmosphere of coordination and trust in which to thrive and the UN just needs to be freed from the suffocating ignorance of the UKUSA and vassals. The sooner the better! And I feel certain that they will stand as one and reform the UN machine as necessary and on the run as the coming months reveal.
At today's Security Council meeting, Lavrov was the lead descriptor of the situation that Putin opened: "I would ask you in addition to planned issues to discuss and dwell on the most relevant events of recent times." And we know what those events were. The timestamp on the Kremlin's readout was 13:30 Moscow time.
As for the larger scenario heikomr describes, it would be folly for Russia and China to not have an agreed upon plan for response. I have a rather good idea of how the joint Iran-Hezbollah response will be done, but so will the defenders. I doubt NATO has enough assets in region to completely defend the Zionists, for the sort of sustained attack I envision would require over $10 billion in equipment expenditures--5X the amount spent the first time.
The crisis of incompetence within the derp state continues. US and Israeli behavior about other people’s red lines is still built on an assumption that no one will ever fight back because of the reputation of their militaries. Both for force projection and lack of concern for civilian casualties.
But it’s not 1999 anymore or even 2010. Israel is playing from a position of absolute weakness. At almost 10 months a military designed to fight short wars hasn’t done anything except wreck stuff and wanton genocide of civilians. And at that capability is fraying. A real war in Lebanon with pipelines of weapons and fighters rather than besieged Gaza is a non-starter. The US isn’t positioned much better and has a string of vulnerable assets it needs in west Asia.
Netanyahu is May well end up bringing down the empire, but he’s not dragging it. Everyone important on both sides of aisle is begging for a ticket on the ride. When IS forces are required on the ground, they’ll be sent and they’ll lose defending a genocidal colony.
'derp' state is a trouvaille as our french surrealist colleagues say - one to keep using
Applying the UN Article 51 and then some is an excellent strategy. Indeed it is really only by utilising the UN framework of relations between states that the outlaw US empire and the outlaw Occupier Imposter of Israel can be reduced to next to useless. The rules based order was always busted flush intended to knacker the UN. When Israel is whipped into defeat and the 21st Century exodus from the holy land meets up with the Ukrainian exodus from the freezer -all in the west- then there will be justice. :))
I have a song for all those believing in justice here: The Chimes of Freedom, sung by the poet himself
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDOHhx_dk1g
Thanks uncle. I read Marat's long entry made yesterday about the UK links to the Crocus Hall Terrorist Attack. Here's a link to part of it, https://t.me/voenkorkhayrullin/2343 More of it is located at hi VK page, https://vk.com/@voenkorkhayrullin-terror-s-ukrainskim-akcentom-kto-dolzhen-otvetit-za-terakt-v and links to its other segments. I hope those running his substack provide these writings of his.
Nasrallah has said that the future depends on Israel's response to the AOR response. That tells me that the AOR response will be measured, not overwhelming. This is not to say a regional war will be avoided, just that the AOR will take only one or two steps up, but not upend, the escalation ladder. I would also mention that looming over the direct, insane, strictly military consequences of a general war involving Iran are the economic consequences: Iran closes the Strait of Hormuz and the bulk of the world's oil supply is turned off--instant worldwide energy madness that will reflect onto every area of the world's economy. I mean holy cow!
In all the previous wars between Zionists and West Asian nations, Iran was never involved. That dynamic will soon change, although it appears this will be an Islamic-Zionist War led by Shia. I recall an MoA commentator who argued for Iran to use its far more powerful army against Imperial assets in the region. IMO, the coming oil shock will be selective, like the Empire's sanctions.
Perhaps one could take that to mean methodical more so than limited. Think Iraq, Syria, Jordan, Egypt, Pakistan, etc as potential areas of relevance.
I have no idea what will happen. But it should be clear even to the most sleepy and hesitant outside observers that:
- Israeli gov has repeatedly slammed the door on any path to compromise
- Israeli official strategy is centered on continued escalations, to draw in the US, and postpone the Israeli state's reckoning for crimes of genocide, ethnic cleansing, war crimes, and sundry abuses typical of Apartheid regimes familiar from not so old history
- US under Biden, Trump, or Kamala (plus Josh Shapiro??) will do nothing substantial to stop this, and that all branches of the US federal government continues with the blank-check support, looking-the-other-way on mega crimes, and blocking justice mechanisms in vassal countries in G7
- in spite of public opinion, many world governments continue to carry water for the US, and therefore indirectly for the criminal Israeli regime
- From the latter two points, waiting for the ICC or ICJ to "do their work" is a plainly unrealistic hope
- Incidentally, this state of affairs does nothing positive whatever for Jews around the world - who will get blamed for Israeli gov's crimes regardless of their own position (often considerably less aggressive than that of the Israeli right in the country itself). And as unfortunate as this dynamic already is baked in to a degree, it still has a ways to go getting even worse, if/when Washington continues to give Tel Aviv permission to do anything they want - which in practice is inevitably revolves around further escalation and atrocities in the vain hope of asserting dominance. For one thing, the bulk of the Gaza population may not survive into next summer, if the status quo is maintained. However, there aren't really any political means for any organization to arise from this, since the Israeli Right in the US cemented their position with the more numerous Christian fundamentalists, who think there's not much to lose in the whole thing.
As for Iran and Lebanon ... I think it must be clear to both them and to third parties worldwide, that confronting Israel without also confronting US power in the region, is a fool's errand. Hence one would have to wonder if the way to untangle the knot is to first undo the region's regimes which are in the pocket of the US. It will happen sooner or later, would be quite a feat if done at this time tho.
Elsewhere I wrote none of the region's fence-sitting regimes would be able to do that any longer when the wider war breaks out. Medvedev's comment on X was quite correct and Russia's Security Council met this morning to talk about just that. It's been a busy day for me which has kept me from composing an article, although it's about the EU situation based on some new sources.
thanks karl.... look like ww3 looms, thanks all the hot heads and the approval of usa... i hope i am wrong..
Thank you Karlof. Here are some good words from a truly independent Australian press.
https://johnmenadue.com/israeli-killing-of-ismail-haniyeh-a-futile-act-by-a-rogue-state/
To mix up my Shakespear "Now is the winter of our discontent." "Let slip the Dogs of War."
It comes
IMO, no nation in the region will be able to remain on the fence. And this war won't be like any of the previous wars.
My take on the meaning of SMO (Special Military Operation) is not that it has stated goals such as 'Denazification' or 'Demilitarization' but that it is the use of military force against a state without declaring and prosecuting full War against that State. Because if full War were declared, then immediate mass bombardment would no doubt ensue leading rapidly to nuclear exchanges. Basically, an SMO allows a belligerent to fight things out on the ground without trying to go all-out to cripple or destroy the adversary.
Of course also: 'demilitarization' implies the complete defeat of the State since only a completely defeated State would become 'demilitarized'. I haven't read Iran said this, but if they state their intention is to DeZionify Israel that is the same as complete conquest.
I wrote two long comments yesterday at MoA regarding my thoughts of what will occur, which might not be as soon as so many expect.
William Schreyer shares my opinion. People in the USA must finally understand that it doesn't matter who gets to be president. It's a systemic problem.
"But as I repeatedly observe, there are no easy wars left to fight. The US could concentrate enough military might to undertake a single brief campaign in ONE PLACE, and one place only. So pick your poison: Russia, China, or Iran. And remember, it is now a “buy one enemy, get two free” scenario, as I wrote about earlier this year: All for One and One for All.
Regardless of the choice the Masters of Empire ultimately make, the end result will be the most devastating military defeat the United States has suffered since its founding, and it will be effectively demilitarized for at least a generation.
Ends of empire always attest complex and unpredictable events, and the trajectory is always from bad to worse.
So strap yourselves in tightly, brothers and sisters. Gird up your loins and steel your hearts and minds. It's going to be an extremely bumpy ride on the road to Har Megiddo."
https://imetatronink.substack.com/p/man-of-destiny-or-what-can-be-unburdened
A very deep and dense podcast about two years or so ago featuring Drs Bill Black and Michael Hudson posited flat out that Wall Street--Big Money/The Money Power--owned all three branches of the federal government, with the main problem being too few people being capable of seeing/understanding that ugly truth. Now, we all know Big Money people don't know the first thing about fighting wars or even how to properly go about the formation of proper security forces and the vast infrastructure needed for their construction and maintenance. Martyanov has railed on about all that for a decade, but not about the ultimate cause. Too few people within the Outlaw US Empire are aware of the genuine facts and how they came to be the way they are. And those that do ask questions don't know where to obtain truthful answers. One of the huge barriers is the Truth is something that's hard to swallow, that's why it's called The Bitter Truth. Many find it more comforting to remain ignorant or vote for the Lesser Evil instead of for candidates that share their values.
So, will the Outlaw US Empire end with a whimper or a bang or some of both? And when might that occur? Or is the whimpering portion already happening?
" Now, we all know Big Money people don't know the first thing about fighting wars or even how to properly go about the formation of proper security forces and the vast infrastructure needed for their construction and maintenance. "
Are you sure about that? As far as I can tell, Big Money has been behind just about every major war in the modern (Western) era, and they have won every single one because they win every time there is a war - which side winning or losing being almost entirely irrelevant.
Sure, they know how to make loans which they demand to be repaid. That isn't the same as what's meant in your citation.
All that is written here is true
But there are counter currents which may have considerably more weight going forward
There are new initiatives for peace talks in Ukraine in China, and now in India - and expressions of peace talks between China and India which may well revive the power of the original Trilateral relationships, and go a long way to stabilise the region against US aggressions
It appears that ASEAN is finding new depths of expression (as per your link of Singapore's mistrust and dislike of US policies) and increased tightening of partnerships and agreements with Russia, as per the Indonesia President-elect’s visit to Moscow you reported on the other day
Many countries, or their ruling classes, that once were under the sway of malign US control, are now inkling towards attempts at better governance and more reasonable foreign relations
Even Kurt Campbell appears to recognize something of this
“India is “probably the most important relationship for the United States to get right,” Campbell said at a Senate Foreign Relations Committee hearing on Tuesday, adding that the Indian diaspora in the US is a powerful connection.
Highlighting India’s desire to be an independent state, he admitted that “the hardest thing to keep in mind is that India is also a great power. It has its own beliefs, its own interests.”
“[India] will never be a formal ally or partner in the United States, but it doesn’t mean that we cannot have the strongest of possible relationships as allied nations on the global stage,” Campbell remarked.
He also expects India to engage more directly in Ukraine, lauding New Delhi’s efforts to “play a responsible role globally.”
https://www.rt.com/news/601905-india-great-power-campbell/
https://korybko.substack.com/p/the-us-indo-pacific-mastermind-admitted
Even The Economist…..
https://www.economist.com/leaders/2024/08/01/chinese-companies-are-winning-the-global-south
The problem is US Imperial Dogma and Policy--no peers, only competitors/enemies. Either you're subordinate to us or you're against us to rephrase Bush's Diktat. What do you think made Modi alter his policy?
Modi and the Ambani élites, there are a lot of Anglo Indians and Amercian Indians in India, they talk down on the poor natives as if sophisticates to their inferiors
Until the ridiculously inept saga of the Sikh dissident killings, when the US mushed up a clumsy hash that revealed racist incapability and invasion of Indian sovereignty -
Modi was lost, temporarily
I believe the change came from the courage he took to go talk to VVP – I think VVP told him straight up the only way out of his predicament was to re affirm the reasonable self interest of collaborative Asian alliance partnership and development against the gangster colonialists
VVP must have said I spent 10 years trying to make an agreement with them…..
Yes, it helps greatly when you're honest and point to the major facts of the matter.
Yes, and expecially when you do so to the evident benefit of your nation and their allies
That is to say the RF managed the India swings and roundabouts relations with the US, their evident succumbing to colonialistic propaganda, without, as far as one knows, reproach or bitterness - but with patience only
India's civilizations (plural intended) may be old, but as a nation-state it remains young and naive, and Putin well understands the seductions used by the Empire.
One could mention 'decolonisation'?
That was one of the most futile attacks that sections of the US gmvt class made when attempting to force the Indian government into submission on the subject of Sikh seperatists killings – the US and Canada are keeping up the pressure on India, which can be regarded as blackmail
Decolonisation in the contemporary USnik style, for the country to be broken up, not in the classic
As per the similar accusations and pressures on the RF
There are hundreds of thousands of minorities that make up India
While it is true that currently the class structure of society is very harsh on the poor and especially on the peasant
And there is a borderlands problem, even excepting the one with China, and there is a Hindu Muslim problem
The US also tried on it’s usual ‘Human Rights’ bla bla, but stopped short I think of insisting India install the full LBGTQ+T package
Witness this very long 2023 US State Dept report on India – amplified by the usual suspects
For contrast the China Global Times 2023 report on Modi’s new parliament to replace the British one, and other changes – the real decolonisation from Britain efforts still ongoing in India
The US so called decolonisation PR was an attempt to mitigate the general rejection of the West that the Indian process exemplified
https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202305/1291598.shtml
https://newlinesmag.com/argument/how-hindu-nationalists-redefined-decolonization-in-india/