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Don Midwest's avatar

There have been over 70 court cases by Trump's team about the election and they lost all of them.

A clear violation of election was making up, with no connection to voters. an alternative slate of electors for the president.

I got involved with election integrity in 2004 when W Bush stole the election here in Ohio. I worked with a couple of men who have worked on this issue for many years and one is an international election observer, a professor and an attorney. He took information from a man who knew how the election was stolen and published it too soon and the man died in an airplane crash. His wife told him to be very careful.

His name is Robert Fitrakis. He wrote the first exposures of Epstein. When he was writing, Epstein had the largest house in Columbus. He worked with the billionaire Wes Lexer who is mostly in the clothing department store business. Lexner uses military Rickenbacker airport and is one of only a couple of ports that goods could be brought in with little or no inspections. Robert was approached by the FBI to be very careful exposing Epstein's activities.

I have been pissed for years that the Democratic Party did not make election integrity a core issue and make it happen. After all these years of neglect, the Republican party owns the issue and they are committing fraud to win elections with fewer voters and exclude blocks, like blacks, who have consistently voted for Democrats.

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uncle tungsten's avatar

Clearly Putin does cold showers and snow baths and it keeps his mind sharp. Trump, not so much.

This is the essential difference between the western war coalition and Russia: for the westies all inconvenient details are ignored, swept under the rug and out of sight. Fuzzy headed blather is their medium of choice. For the easties there are foundational unresolved issues that create legitimacy. No lasting peace can be achieved by creating a flimsy decision exempt from a legitimate interested party. However I suspect Putin advances this 'illegitimate president and parliament' in Ukraine at this stage to simply confuse and frustrate the Trump/Kellog desire for a quickie. So too with Putins jibe at the oil price threat.

Ukraine is a region cobbled together as an aftermath of the Russian victory over Nazism and Hitlers scourge. So it can be said to not have a legitimate government from any perspective and even more so of late as it has omitted to hold elections even within it's so called constitution when specifically required. Trump is in a rush and is banking on getting some dividing line in the centre of Ukraine asap. Its an old trick see Korea, Vietnam and so on. I doubt Putin will going along with that.

I expect we will see a dramatic increase of long distance missile attacks on Russia over the next months and all carefully claimed to be UK or France or even Ukraine fabricated devices. Given the winter will thaw and mud will become a thing throughout March - May the next phase will be mainly air based assault from both sides with little territorial gains and limited scope for Ukraine to reform its army. That is enough time to establish an election cycle but I don't believe the Zelensky team are in the mood. The fukusa gangsters continue to strut the stage dressed as naked apes.

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Karl Sanchez's avatar

The draft age reduction is the political hot button in Ukraine along with the desertion crisis. As for the ongoing advance, a few Klicks can be done daily in the slog. Russia’s tactical strategy is excellent—surrounding the urban concentrations then upping the siege pressure. I await Kramatorsk. The advance over the Oskil in Kharkov oblast is going well. And Kursk will be cleansed soon enough. I await a move in Kherson region.

The big negotiating issue is the replacing of NATO with the Eurasian Security Structure, and the SMO can’t be concluded until that’s done since that’s part of the settlement. The bargain goes like this:

Putin: So, you want the conflict in Ukraine to stop?

Trump: Yeah.

Putin: Well, for us to agree to its end, a whole new security structure needs to be erected and replace the Euro-Atlantic Structure since NATO is at the root of the problem.

Trump: Hmmm…. I don’t know about that.

Putin: Well, the SMO will continue until we attain our goals. There shall be no Ukraine to enter NATO. If any Ukraine is to exist, then NATO cannot.

Trump: (Damn!)

IMO, all that will be well known before Trump and Putin meet, if it isn’t already.

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uncle tungsten's avatar

Agreed and from what I see in Russian commentary and statements, that brings us to the December 17, 2021 letter to US re NATO. Trump may grasp that proposal as his solution or he could just walk away from NATO and leave it to the remainders (FUKIG?) to find the answer and respond to Russia's legitimate requirement for mutual shared security.

The USA has already nackered europe and erased their competitive potential for a decade or two. It is important to consider that China has attained immense industrial and economic velocity such that europe will be most unlikely to ever regain a place at the top table for a long, long time. The USA will be lucky to keep its shirt as the next decade unfolds because it is hobbled by the consequences of its oligarchic extractive economy that precludes long term investment and patience when waiting for returns from AI or any other industrial development myth. Combine that with the congress and oligarchies absolute negation of any role for the state sector in long term nation building and you have a loser looking for a trash can.

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james's avatar

putin is very diplomatic here and generally... i wonder if what he says here about the 2020 election being stolen is another statement to curry favour with trump?? it seems like it to me.. but as he articulates here, no peace agreements with ukraine are possible until outstanding legal issues based on zelenskys actions are resolved.. so, there's that too.. bottom line - sounds like putin would like to support trump with the caveats he mentions in your post here.. thanks karl!

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Karl Sanchez's avatar

I was watching Judge Napolitano’s Friday Intel panel show when this was unveiled. There’s good stuff in that show today; I suggest watching it.

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james's avatar

doing a search on youtube is not bringing anything recent up... any links, or ideas on how to access what you refer to?? thanks.. looks like i found it -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ui0ijNbGaaM

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John Bouchard's avatar

Stolen or not a 2020 Trump win may have spelled doom for Iran, the then needed next big war under the Trump neocon rule. As it turned out and as some had speculated ukraine became the next chopping block under Biden. Today Iran is far more prepared for any eventuality then in 2020.

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Karl Sanchez's avatar

Agreed, Just because Putin says no conflict in Ukraine would have commenced doesn’t mean others wouldn’t be started elsewhere, and with Trump’s team at the time West Asia was possible. Russians are talking about Yalta 2.0.

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John Bouchard's avatar

Waiting for Trump 2.0 stop paying lip service and dealing realpolitik with Rus China. One can only hope.

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Karl Sanchez's avatar

I see Alastair Crooke is writing more often now that he has his own substack. https://conflictsforum.substack.com/ Although it's paywalled, he allows readers to get the first part of the story before one must pay, which is better than nothing but hard to use as a source. Today's effort, "'Trump & Netanyahu are on a clear collision course' -- as political pressures close in on Netanyahu," cites Ben Caspit's reporting as its teaser. Crooke's effort from the 23rd, "Is Trump positioning for a ‘no-deal’ with Russia -- or not?" gives more detail before disappearing behind the wall. I hope SCF is allowed to continue its republication of his essays.

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Don Midwest's avatar

I thought that this article on Trumpism by Dugan would have been covered here. This seems to be the strongest case that Trump is an important leader that needs to be taken seriously. I would never thought to use the terms Trump ideology.

Dugan is Putin's philosopher so these thoughts might be related to Putin's statements in this post.

"Trump’s Revolution

by Alexander Dugin Alexander Dugin

Jan 20, 2025"

"Alexander Dugin explains how the ideology of Trumpism will change the USA and the entire world.

https://www.arktosjournal.com/p/trumps-revolution

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Karl Sanchez's avatar

I don’t follow Dugin much, time being the #1 consideration.

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Truth Seeking Missile's avatar

The 2020 election is not the news here. This is the most direct refusal I've heard from Putin about negotiating with Zelensky. It was a clear Nyet, never going to happen. So Trump has lots of work to do there before they speak.

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Karl Sanchez's avatar

Actually, Putin’s laid out the legal grounds just as specifically before; His words are here in the Gym’s archive. The real big nut is to deal with formulating a new Eurasian Security Structure as I’ve been writing about since Putin said that was Russia’s strategic aim.

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Giuseppe Corvo's avatar

Comparing the leaders of the RF and China to most leaders in the "West" reveals, IMO, a vastly different degree of seriousness. Most of the "Western" leaders seem to favor bombast over reasonable dialogue. This is the hubris of a dying culture, IMO. Trump will not save the West. All Russia and Putin et al are trying to do, IMO, is avoid the fallout of the self-destructive behavior of the PtB in the West. BTW, Karl, over at MoA, you posted a comment about sites that had fewer "fleas" which I interpreted to mean higher signal to noise ratio.....any pointers?

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Karl Sanchez's avatar

I don't have any hints as I don't frequent such sites much anymore. The trend is the podcast/interview show where comments don't interfere with the discourse. I'm watching about 6-hours/week but don't watch any legacy TV.

What I see is a collective of nations wanting to assert their rights under international law banding together to pushback at the continuing attempts at colonialism/imperialism. And for the first time in 1000 years, that collective has the upper hand.

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Giuseppe Corvo's avatar

Hi Karl,

Thanks for the reply.....I also don't watch legacy TV because it's a ridiculous waste of time. I also have limited time resources but much interest. Though I do have a different view of the BRICS+ movement as I see it as a group of voluntary independent countries that see a better deal.....what rational mind wouldn't. The problem, IMO, with interfering with the internal workings of other countries rather than just freely trading with them relates to the inefficient use of resources....it can be hidden for a while but funding all those color revolutions around the world has destroyed anything good about the U.S. government and that rot goes a ways back, at least to the Progressive Era..

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Karl Sanchez's avatar

Global Majority organizing will need to improve to deal with Trump’s Economic War. ALL ASEAN FMs met with Lavrov today in Moscow.

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Scipio's avatar

Russia, China, etc - they all knew 2020 was rigged. It explains their dismissal of Biden & Co during the regime's disastrous 4 years.

That 2020 election has gravely damaged the US. It has permanently damaged the US and undermined US legitimacy on the geopolitical stage. Trump won't be able to fix that.

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Karl Sanchez's avatar

The 2000 election's Judicial Coup followed closely by 911 is another. Odd that the 2000 election isn't discussed much. Given the prep for 911 happened during Clinton's tenure, I've always wondered if the event would have occurred if Gore was president, and what line he'd have taken afterwards.

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Bob marsden's avatar

I tried to post this to Scott Ritter’s site, but am not a paid subscriber.

“What do you make of the disconnect between “the content of these documents” [using such phrases as “including, but not limited to”] -

comprehensive, lucid, complex, coherent, rational, compared with -

Trumpspeak: simple impressions, abstract metaphors, incoherent rhetoric, persuasive moral fables, bombast, self-contradictory, metalinguistic adverts for his own discourse.

Not from the same mind.”

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John Reuter's avatar

Error in Headline! It should read 2020!

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arthur brogard's avatar

Well there's no sign here of Putin feeling he's facing an adversary and they must come to an accommodation. He's continuing the dialogue as though he's talking to a third party and the real issue is russia v ukraine.

Perhaps a convenient fiction to enable the two to come to an agreement. To enable usa to withdraw from europe. from the conflict at least.

And that would be good I guess. Certainly would be good for the thousands of ukrainian and russian men who would otherwise die.

But a lot of people, including myself, have been loudly shouting that russia cannot do deals with usa. Perhaps we're right and we're wrong.

Right inasmuch as no deal can be trusted.

Wrong inasmuch as any deal can be made and for a while used to the benefit of the parties somehow or other.

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Karl Sanchez's avatar

Your comment echos others. My reply to them is similar, like the one I just wrote to uncle t. Trump has no real leverage. And for him as a representative of the USA, he can’t sign a treaty ending a conflict with Russia the USA denies being involved in—another legal point that’s been hiding but I’m sure Putin’s well aware of.

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arthur brogard's avatar

goddamn. a mere hour or so after finishing my earlier reply I turn to John Helmer and find he is supplying all that I could not, didn't have the knowledge nor the literary flair.

Here is what I wish I had known/posted:

https://johnhelmer.net/the-oligarchs-picnic-whats-on-the-menu-when-trumps-oligarchs-negotiate-with-putins-oligarchs/comment-page-1/?unapproved=792656&moderation-hash=c184943c175db42fc34b7edb32f9fe5c#comment-792656

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arthur brogard's avatar

He doesn't have to sign any treaty ending the conflict to end it. Of course not. He has to do things that end it.

Signing treaties is well established now as froth and bubble. That's what we've all been talking about.

Trump has leverage simply because he can (possibly) do those things. Putin doesn't like this and doesn't want it to continue.

Not only that but Helmer's recent 'potato' piece suggests he's got real problems coming over the horizon.

I think you mean no leverage in respect to the battlefield: russia and donbas will win there anyway. Well I wouldn't be so sure. They are not winning so handily, easily, anywhere at the moment and now is when the Ukies are supposedly at their lowest ever. We even get reports of unmanned trenchlines. Of mass desertions. Yet there's no rout. There's no 20km in a day like they did in Kursk.

And talking Kursk that's still a long hard bloody battle. They still attack there. They still are reinforcing with 'elite troops', yes, 'conscripts' too, but 'elite troops.

And there's problems with the military, still endemic, still not fixed since Prigozhins day

https://t.me/Sladkov_plus/12284

https://t.me/two_majors/417

Russian troops complain of need of drones. At this stage !!

And overseas and even in Europe drone production is ramping up significantly. the whole face of the war has changed. What the usa and europe could not provide before: more tanks, more guns, more radar, etc,, etc, might even not be necessary: swamping the battlefield with drones well may be enough. Who knows? It's early days. It's a danger, it's a worry.

Behind it is the implacable will of the usa to kill russia. That's what Trump can exercise some control over one way or another, presumably and that's where he can/should negotiate with Putin. For the Russian State needs to counter and stifle that. The Ukraine thing can sputter on if it must or end if it can but the main thing remains this enmity of the usa.

Putin is in a precarious position right now as I see it. This may be the high water mark where he's doing as well as he ever will failing some outside help.

He needs an ally to step forward and stipulate they will weigh in on Russia's side in military terms if necessary.

Right now all Putin's potential allies are actually as though held by the throat by the by the usa and for all previous decades.

Yep. No deal can be trusted.

What is needed is action. Signed documents or not documents.

I've not heard a mention since inauguration of that much mentioned fact that still obtains: the war finishes the moment usa says so to all intents and purposes.

But I've talked too much and lost my thread. Point is there's the battlefield war is one thing, there's the relationship with Kiev, that's another and there's the background on which it all lies: usa/british hatred and remorseless intent to kill russia.

Discussions need to be clear which of the three they're addressing at all stages.

I've talked too much and got lost... Sorry.

So I'll shut up.

But I think yes Trump has leverage and an unwritten deal/s is/are what really do things and Russia needs help.

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Ed's avatar

In 2020 Biden was counted for millions of ballots more than Harris in 2024.

Probably 7 million fraudulent count.

Why they treated Jan 6 protesters like the U.S. treated captured Vc

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Duane McPherson's avatar

Harris got fewer votes because fewer voters wanted her as president. Israel's war of extermination against Palestinians is one part of that. Loose borders and DEI is another. And the general feeling among voters that the Democratic party at the national level doesn't care much about ordinary Americans. There's nothing mysterious about that.

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Ed's avatar

The democrats failed to get out the laserjet vote in 202

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Drew Currah's avatar

Trump and Putin will make a deal-it will be good for both sides. Perhaps, Trump will withdraw from NATO as he secures the Western Hemisphere.

Anyways, it is looking better since the Biden regime has fallen.

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Ed's avatar

No nuclear war….. USSTRIKECOM has been stood down for the last 3 years

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Johannes S. Herbst's avatar

...based on reality, Putin said. This is the one thing Trump has to grasp.

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Rob Smith's avatar

Correction: Title should read "2020 election". Thank you.

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Karl Sanchez's avatar

In too much of a hurry caused embarrassing typo. Yes, 2020 election, not 2000, although that too was stolen.

Thanks! Now corrected.

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Acco Hengst's avatar

Smart answers with hitting the Z nail on the head.

It is very hard to disagree with any observer that the election was stolen. Clear for many but not all to see.

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WTFUD's avatar

To see, one must look grasshopper!

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