The big thing here in Germany ist the reaction of the usual suspects like Scholz, Strack-Zimmermann, Stoltenberg, von der Leyen and many others: Orban ist not speaking with our voice! How can this guy dare to speak with the personified evil? He is destroying our European unity! We have to continue this fight for freedom and democrazy!
In the other hand, many readers in the media and even some Media journalists asked: Why not? What is so bad with talking about peace? Keep talking!
There is cited a quote from the former German chansler Helmut Schmidt: Better to talk hundred days unsucessfully than to shoot one minute.
For many commenters Orban is the only sane Europan leader who has the balls to follow the interests of the people of Europe.
Many others declare him as a hero and worth the peace Nobel Prize just for trying.
You will find in WELTWOCHE YouTube Channel an interviev with Orban in English, where he talks about his motivation to do this.
The rest of the political class has shown who they are: Warmongers who do not care about the live of one single Ukranian solider or the future of the Ukraine.
I allow myself to be skeptical. But of course I think Hungary's activities for peace are commendable. But Europe's insane course will not change. All political parties and regimes are vicarious agents of the USA. Secret services, US media corporations, NGOs, think tanks, Black Rock & Co. and other organizations of the US oligarchy have permeated Europe like cancer metastases in the terminal stage of the body. In all areas of society, from kindergarten, schools and universities to governments and the EU. Europe only has a chance if the USA collapses. There is no possibility of healing from within. Only from the outside. Hungary is a small nation, a landlocked country, and the USNATO will physically blockade Hungary if necessary.
Except the "blockade" was already implemented and Hungary has already overcome it as it continues vital connections with Russia it won't surrender. And if EU/NATO try to discipline, they merely show the world what they really are, which will further the Mutiny.
I wish the Hungarian people every happiness and peace. Just as I wish happiness and peace to everyone in the world. Why am I talking about a "blockade"? I mean that I trust the USA and its EU to strangle Hungary economically. For example, cutting off Hungary's oil and gas supplies. These fascists can be trusted with anything. Their image is already ruined anyway. They know no honor or shame. They don't even have an awareness of injustice. The latter is dangerous.
Yes, the "latter is dangerous." But the Outlaw US Empire and its EU vassal have tried to blockade Hungary for over two years and failed; plus, they've waged political war against Orban for even longer. IMO, Hungarians look at the EU much as they looked at the USSR both before and after 1956, and in such circumstance it's vital that Russian media is able to be accessed in Hungary.
I see only one way for Hungary to save itself. Withdraw from NATO and the EU. Joining the SOC and BRICS.
The danger I still see is that the USNATO/EU can physically cut Hungary off from the supply of gas and oil. Hungary is geographically landlocked. The campaigns in the Western media have certainly already been written. "Orban is a Hitler." and "The Hungarian regime is a major threat to European peace." etc.
The UN or USNATO courts are counterproductive. Would the fascists have any inhibitions about doing something like that? Oh, I'm thinking of the tens of millions killed by USNATO aggression and by economic warfare, if you add the people who died from the secondary consequences.
But it is also possible that Orban consulted with Russia and China and that they worked out a solution.
Looking at the Russian mainstream media, they're saying Orban was in Moscow as a messenger from Trump, and that Biden is in trouble and Trump is likely to be elected. Orban met with Trump not so long ago, and met with Donald Jr. in Hungary after that.
This makes sense to me. Looks like Trump wants to establish communication with Putin for eventually negotiating a peace deal once he is back in office.
There Is an interesting post-meeting interview with Orbán from a Swiss journalist, who accompanied Orbán. The introduction is in German, the interview in English.
Orban is emerging as a key player. He also pushed Zelensky hard on the Hungarians in Ukraine, asking for more recognition of their heritage, protection of their native language. This crack will feed a growing urge for all non Ukrainian groups who are not in favor of dying for the Galicians: Hungarians, Romanians, Poles, Slovaks, Russians.
Looking back at events from the time of the fist free elections in HU and how Orban learned the globalists rules of game when his party was first defeated by the globalists (dressed as communists), it is clear that Orban is applying a "systems acupuncture" technique since quite a while now. It is only now that this is EU-wide and globally visible, but he has been applying this strategy since some time now. These actions were planned and coordinated since years. It was one of the reasons of Xi's visit to HU recently, but even before that this was the reason why the globalome (the actual executive agent called NED) hunted down the previous President AND (who many forget) the other lady in the government, the former justice minister and EU lead Judit Varga. They were taken down for this very reason. Now Orban is running the show almost single handedly.
From the outside it may seem, like a small country now wanting a slice from the big players table.... but this is much more than that.
Given the drama in the US with Biden possibly being replaced as the Dem candidate for 2024 and possibly stepping down, we shouldn't expect any change in NATO policy in Ukraine at least until November, or more likely until January 2025 if Trump wins. The permanent Deep State machinery will stay the course until then (if Ukraine doesn't completely collapse).
I would guess that Orban didn't learn anything new from meeting Putin, as Russia's position has been stated publicly before this meeting.
The big thing here in Germany ist the reaction of the usual suspects like Scholz, Strack-Zimmermann, Stoltenberg, von der Leyen and many others: Orban ist not speaking with our voice! How can this guy dare to speak with the personified evil? He is destroying our European unity! We have to continue this fight for freedom and democrazy!
In the other hand, many readers in the media and even some Media journalists asked: Why not? What is so bad with talking about peace? Keep talking!
There is cited a quote from the former German chansler Helmut Schmidt: Better to talk hundred days unsucessfully than to shoot one minute.
For many commenters Orban is the only sane Europan leader who has the balls to follow the interests of the people of Europe.
Many others declare him as a hero and worth the peace Nobel Prize just for trying.
You will find in WELTWOCHE YouTube Channel an interviev with Orban in English, where he talks about his motivation to do this.
The rest of the political class has shown who they are: Warmongers who do not care about the live of one single Ukranian solider or the future of the Ukraine.
Victor Orban said the three words no other European "leader" dares:
"Europe Needs Peace."
I allow myself to be skeptical. But of course I think Hungary's activities for peace are commendable. But Europe's insane course will not change. All political parties and regimes are vicarious agents of the USA. Secret services, US media corporations, NGOs, think tanks, Black Rock & Co. and other organizations of the US oligarchy have permeated Europe like cancer metastases in the terminal stage of the body. In all areas of society, from kindergarten, schools and universities to governments and the EU. Europe only has a chance if the USA collapses. There is no possibility of healing from within. Only from the outside. Hungary is a small nation, a landlocked country, and the USNATO will physically blockade Hungary if necessary.
Except the "blockade" was already implemented and Hungary has already overcome it as it continues vital connections with Russia it won't surrender. And if EU/NATO try to discipline, they merely show the world what they really are, which will further the Mutiny.
I wish the Hungarian people every happiness and peace. Just as I wish happiness and peace to everyone in the world. Why am I talking about a "blockade"? I mean that I trust the USA and its EU to strangle Hungary economically. For example, cutting off Hungary's oil and gas supplies. These fascists can be trusted with anything. Their image is already ruined anyway. They know no honor or shame. They don't even have an awareness of injustice. The latter is dangerous.
Yes, the "latter is dangerous." But the Outlaw US Empire and its EU vassal have tried to blockade Hungary for over two years and failed; plus, they've waged political war against Orban for even longer. IMO, Hungarians look at the EU much as they looked at the USSR both before and after 1956, and in such circumstance it's vital that Russian media is able to be accessed in Hungary.
I see only one way for Hungary to save itself. Withdraw from NATO and the EU. Joining the SOC and BRICS.
The danger I still see is that the USNATO/EU can physically cut Hungary off from the supply of gas and oil. Hungary is geographically landlocked. The campaigns in the Western media have certainly already been written. "Orban is a Hitler." and "The Hungarian regime is a major threat to European peace." etc.
The UN or USNATO courts are counterproductive. Would the fascists have any inhibitions about doing something like that? Oh, I'm thinking of the tens of millions killed by USNATO aggression and by economic warfare, if you add the people who died from the secondary consequences.
But it is also possible that Orban consulted with Russia and China and that they worked out a solution.
Hungary displays a level of confidence that would confirm your closing sentence.
Reading this transcript is like reading history as it’s being made.
Like Netanyahu, Zelensky seems much more concerned about his political fate than the fate of the country he represents. These two are not leaders.
Good one. So things continue as they are. On the battlefield. But politically in Europe and Europe/USA change begins to manifest.
Looking at the Russian mainstream media, they're saying Orban was in Moscow as a messenger from Trump, and that Biden is in trouble and Trump is likely to be elected. Orban met with Trump not so long ago, and met with Donald Jr. in Hungary after that.
This makes sense to me. Looks like Trump wants to establish communication with Putin for eventually negotiating a peace deal once he is back in office.
There Is an interesting post-meeting interview with Orbán from a Swiss journalist, who accompanied Orbán. The introduction is in German, the interview in English.
https://weltwoche.ch/daily/video/viktor-orban-in-moskau-der-ungarn-premier-ueber-putin-frieden-und-seine-historische-woche/
Orban certainly ticked off Ukraine and all of NATO and EU officialdom.
There might be more breakaways coming.
Orban is emerging as a key player. He also pushed Zelensky hard on the Hungarians in Ukraine, asking for more recognition of their heritage, protection of their native language. This crack will feed a growing urge for all non Ukrainian groups who are not in favor of dying for the Galicians: Hungarians, Romanians, Poles, Slovaks, Russians.
Looking back at events from the time of the fist free elections in HU and how Orban learned the globalists rules of game when his party was first defeated by the globalists (dressed as communists), it is clear that Orban is applying a "systems acupuncture" technique since quite a while now. It is only now that this is EU-wide and globally visible, but he has been applying this strategy since some time now. These actions were planned and coordinated since years. It was one of the reasons of Xi's visit to HU recently, but even before that this was the reason why the globalome (the actual executive agent called NED) hunted down the previous President AND (who many forget) the other lady in the government, the former justice minister and EU lead Judit Varga. They were taken down for this very reason. Now Orban is running the show almost single handedly.
From the outside it may seem, like a small country now wanting a slice from the big players table.... but this is much more than that.
Yes, Orban is wily and is no measly vassal.
Given the drama in the US with Biden possibly being replaced as the Dem candidate for 2024 and possibly stepping down, we shouldn't expect any change in NATO policy in Ukraine at least until November, or more likely until January 2025 if Trump wins. The permanent Deep State machinery will stay the course until then (if Ukraine doesn't completely collapse).
I would guess that Orban didn't learn anything new from meeting Putin, as Russia's position has been stated publicly before this meeting.
He said he asked three questions and got answers. IMO, the most important was Putin's vision of future Eurasian Security.