I saw another commentator accuse Bashar of “cowardly fleeing.” This is unfair, especially coming from someone seated in a comfortable chair without any stake in the game. When the Syrian War started (I won’t call it a civil war), Bashar and his family were threatened with the Qaddafi treatment; he was offered gigantic bribes from the Gulf States; he was promised safe exile and freedom from prosecution and persecution, just to walk away. But he did not. He held steadfast and acted as a roll model for the country. This was not an easy decision or an easy task.
After failing to unseat him militarily, the termites have obviously been busily undermining the foundations of the Syrian state – bribing and subverting its military, its officer corps (not all obviously), its parliament, the backers of the regime – so when push came to shove, they all stepped aside in unison. The west loves to believe in the fairytale of regimes revolving around a single person (Stalin, Hitler, Nasrallah, etc) and not seeing them for what they are – a system hiding behind a front man. It is no wonder then that when this crisis came and Bashar looked behind him and saw nothing, he made the choice we all would have made. The toll on Bashar and his family of the war years must have been huge. His wife has cancer too, which cannot but have added to the strain. The judgements of people far from the action – who face no consequences from their mock bravado - are worthless.
I used the word flee which as perhaps unwarranted baggage given the scenario you outlined. Assad was certainly used as a punching bag by those not his equal. I see the direction Lavrov's trying to steer and will write on that tomorrow along with whatever else I can glean. Not knowing the full story can lead to wrong presumptions, that's why I blamed Russia's policy for allowing Idlib to fester, and I don't think I'm wrong about that.
It would seem that Russia, Iran and Syria's Bashar Assad have made a very clever clean exit from a potentially deadly and blood-soaked event.
Lavrov's comments at Doha were especially prescient when he reiterated the importance of implementing 'the rule of law'. In this instance he was referring to UN Security Council Resolution 2254, dated Dec 18, 2015 which set out a "Road Map for Peace in Syria".
Key elements include:
Ceasefire: Demands an immediate ceasefire by all parties, with a view to establishing a lasting peace.
Political Transition: Calls for a Syrian-led and owned political process, facilitated by the United Nations, to establish a new constitution and hold free and fair elections.
Inclusive Governance: Emphasizes the importance of an inclusive governance structure, representing all segments of Syrian society.
International Support: Requests the international community to provide humanitarian assistance and economic support to Syria, while also urging countries to take measures to prevent the flow of fighters and weapons into the country.
Key Provisions:
The Syrian Government and opposition groups are called upon to engage in UN-facilitated talks, with a view to achieving a political transition.
A nationwide ceasefire is to be established as soon as the parties concerned have taken initial steps towards a political transition.
The UN Secretary-General is requested to submit a report within one month on the implementation of the resolution.
The Security Council decides to remain seized of the matter and to review progress in implementing the resolution.
Impact:
Despite being adopted unanimously, Resolution 2254 has yet to be fully implemented. The Syrian conflict continues, and efforts to establish a political transition and ceasefire have been hindered by various factors, including the lack of agreement among key parties and the ongoing presence of foreign forces and fighters in the country.
It would seem that by withdrawing from the country, Assad and his supporters in Russia and Iran have made the only legal and sensible manoeuvre. Any violence or destruction that occurs after today is clearly the responsibility of the actors on the ground, i.e., US occupational military, Kurdish factions, Turkish participants, Israeli military invaders and all their proxy jihadist mercenary employees (regardless of rebranding).
Hmmm.... I should have provided the Doha transcripts. I see an official English transcript is now available for Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov’s answers to questions at the 22th Doha Forum, 07 December 2024, which isn't his statements to media at the presser, https://mid.ru/en/foreign_policy/news/1986144/
The ZIONISTS ARE ALREADY THERE (HTS)! An ISLAMIC EXTREMIST TERRORIST GROUP TURNED INTO USA/TURKEY,ZIONIST ISLAMIC EXTREMIST PROXY ARMY. Another GENOCIDE/ETHNIC CLEANSING OF THE SYRIAN PEOPLE.
In reply to another commentator I suggested, HTS is just another member of the Outlaw US Empire's Terrorist Foreign Legion, and to that I'd add the Zionists. The Empire's been using terrorism and terrorists as a tool since its inception.
Do you have a source for that? I'd say Taliban and HTS are completely different. Taliban comprises only of locals - they where established (well with a little help from Pakistan at the beginning) as a result of the civil war in the 1990 years. They have no intent to export neither their ideology nor terrorism, they aren't rent-a-merc. Well heavily into islamic conservatism, probably enriched with a lot of local tradition and customs. Which isn't surprising given that "Talib" is a student of a religious school ("Taliban" being the plural in Dari/Pashto/Farsi).
yeah - from what I've been reading he just gave up. Poor Syria And Russia's airbases - what about those now. Andrew Korybko thinks it really important to get rid of the terrorists and let Syrians vote in another govnerment
I would have done the same, frankly. Because I think the people involved, from the identified terrorists to the ones wearing suits, are utterly ruthless, without morality or conscience. I think Korybko is right but then, we're all sane and the people involved in this are batshit crazy IMO.
I'm watching Marandi now - on George Galloway - honestly I don't think Assad leaving is in Syria's best interest - Marandi says after the rapproachment with the Gulf States Assad distanced Syria from Iran - as was stipulated in the rapproachment. He was never liked before 2011 - Russia called him ' their guy ' meaning he facilitated black prisons in Syria for the CIA - and then during the whole of the Syrian war he was a hero but it sounds like he was fluctuating again. He didn't even tell Russia what he was doing. The Russian FM put out an announcement saying they had nothing to do with this.
Syrian's entire 21st Century history would be an amazing tale if it could be objectively compiled. Today, that's impossible. Indeed, all of West Asia's history during that same period would be extremely important to know, but I very seriously doubt if any one individual knows it all. The example of the elephant in the room being examined by a dozen blind people is apt. Escobar was correct to place an historical context to it all and bring forth Xenophon, https://sputnikglobe.com/20241206/pepe-escobar-the-syria-tragedy-and-the-new-omni-war-1121108341.html
thank you so much for communication - I really appreciate it. its very disturbing and I will have a look at the article by Pepe Escobar. I'm also trying to listen to Lavrov's speech - its about 1/2 hour, but my hearing isn't perfect and there are no subtitles - so I may not get thruogh it.
I think by this time we should see that the ruling powers in the west are zionists. They are the leading zionists and the jews are secondary zionists. The Empire is zionist.
"The Islamic rebel terrorists seeking to overthrow Bashar al-Assad in Syria went on Israeli TV on Sunday to profess their "love" for the Jewish state and credit Israel's attacks on Syria and Hezbollah for their shock advance."
I wonder how much they will love Israel when the Zionists turn on them and seize any territory for "Greater Israel" that these terrorists thought they'd captured for themselves.
A rhetorical question. The beleaguered SAA melted away as quickly as the US puppet army in Afghanistan when the Taliban said boo. One wonders, did Russia CHOOSE not to participate? It's very unlikely that it could be so easily blindsided and unaware of CIA/Mossad sponsorship of al Qaeda -> al Nusra -> ISIS -> HTS or the devolution of the last two decades of Zionists' perpetual war. (4.3 million dead and counting per Browning U estimate)
So the Palestinians (Amalekites) are once again abandoned to the tender mercies of the bloodthirsty Jehovah — every man, woman, child, suckling baby, their sheep, oxen, and donkeys. No country but Yemen has the moral fiber to uphold international law and the genocide convention.
Russia used its aerospace forces very widely, so it participated. The question is why did it choose to halt? IMO, that was linked to what transpired in Doha. Do note what the PR said about Russia's Syrian bases.
I think it's self-evident that not only did Russia choose not to intervene, but the same can be said of Iran, Hezbollah in Lebanon and China too - although in the latter case it's difficult to see what they could've done.
It's almost as if everyone knew it was time for Assad to go.
"But will the SAA without an official central government defend Syria from a Zionist invasion?"
I think it's unlikely. The SAA couldn't cope with a relatively rag-tag army of rebels. Squaring off against Israel with just the remnants of the Syrian military would be suicide. Everyone should lay down their arms and preserve life for the time being.
Regarding Israel, it will be very interesting to watch what happens next. Everyone assumes Israel and the HTS are in cahoots at some level, but would HTS accept an Israeli invasion of Syrian territory? Perhaps not, especially considering that the Syrian territory adjacent to Israel is largely Sunni Muslim, like HTS.
At a minimum, I think it's safe to say that the Golan Heights is now Israel.
Agreed. But whereas one in the past might have held out some small hope that the Golan would return to Syria, I judge that chance to have dwindled to nothing.
In my opinion not only the CIA has coordinated this operation with Turkey, Israel and HTS, but it has also paid the Syrian Arab Army to stand down, as they did with Iraqi troops in 2003.
That’s how I explain the quick fall of Assad’s Syria: his troops stopped fighting well before he instructed them "to transfer power peacefully". I do not agree with analysts saying that Iran and Russia sold Syria to the US. To gain what? Get cornered in the Middle East and East Med? It does not make sense!
Finally read your article and left comment. A Russia-Turk deal has more surface credibility, something I'll explore along with a host of others tomorrow.
I visit his VK daily, although I skipped yesterday. I found his essay an excellent counterpoint to my policy failure assessment and will mirror it later this morning so otehrs can benefit from reading it.
I understand that you are very busy because you take all the time to give comments. thank you for that! Marat’s view makes me a bit more optimistic again:)
yeah. Assad stood his ground for many years. But he should have contacted Putin first. He should have stayed. But I agree that there was alot against staying. And his wife is in the midst of cancer treatment. He's tired I suppose. Hopefully he will be able to live with himself for doing it now.
We're not privy to all that's transpired. My focus on policy failure was made because there's evidence for that conclusion. But there are other possibilities. What Lavrov discussed at Doha didn't just come out of thin air.
A big answer for me will come when Israel makes its inevitable open move (as opposed to the support of these proxy terrorists) and claims a large chunk of Syria beyond the Golan Heights. If Russia and VVP stand by idly and recognize it as legitimate, what does that say about Zionist oligarch influence in Russia or the level of infiltration/melding of Russian security services by the Israelis.
Russia doesn't recognize Golan as Zionist land, so it's very unlikely Russia will do an about-face on that question. Recall the UNSCR that's being used as the legal basis here. That will be further mentioned when I write again tomorrow.
does anyone know of the time that assad arrived in moscow with his family?? anyone?? or more specifically what time the plane left with him on it to russia?? thanks in advance...
Wasn't some guy at Moon of Alabama posting links to the alleged flight and saying it never landed, i.e., a conspiracy that it was shot down or disappeared?
maybe there was! i missed it... too many comments at moa to follow at present.. thanks though and if you see more details -- please let me know! cheers..
Check for a new username "BurnEye" - I think that's the handle of the person posting the speculative comments about Assad's plane supposedly rapidly losing altitude after leaving Syrian airspace. For what it's worth. Search the comments under the Syria has Fallen post by b.
SAA is done, it's dismantled. Their key sites and hardware are siezed, blown up, or bombed, their leadership is utterly discredited.
A number of the civil bodies of the Syrian state continue and seem to have seamlessly switched over to the HTS regime ... but the have no authority or anything like that. HTS (and FSA) will give way to occupation by Turkey, Israel, and US. However, parties especially interested in depopulation (ie, both Israel and Turkey) may drag out the intermediate stage for that reason. Kurdistan is an open question.
If statelet of Tartus and Latakia can be preserved that would be amazing, but I very much doubt that, considering it's some of the most valuable real estate. It's pretty much a total loss of the country.
I saw another commentator accuse Bashar of “cowardly fleeing.” This is unfair, especially coming from someone seated in a comfortable chair without any stake in the game. When the Syrian War started (I won’t call it a civil war), Bashar and his family were threatened with the Qaddafi treatment; he was offered gigantic bribes from the Gulf States; he was promised safe exile and freedom from prosecution and persecution, just to walk away. But he did not. He held steadfast and acted as a roll model for the country. This was not an easy decision or an easy task.
After failing to unseat him militarily, the termites have obviously been busily undermining the foundations of the Syrian state – bribing and subverting its military, its officer corps (not all obviously), its parliament, the backers of the regime – so when push came to shove, they all stepped aside in unison. The west loves to believe in the fairytale of regimes revolving around a single person (Stalin, Hitler, Nasrallah, etc) and not seeing them for what they are – a system hiding behind a front man. It is no wonder then that when this crisis came and Bashar looked behind him and saw nothing, he made the choice we all would have made. The toll on Bashar and his family of the war years must have been huge. His wife has cancer too, which cannot but have added to the strain. The judgements of people far from the action – who face no consequences from their mock bravado - are worthless.
I used the word flee which as perhaps unwarranted baggage given the scenario you outlined. Assad was certainly used as a punching bag by those not his equal. I see the direction Lavrov's trying to steer and will write on that tomorrow along with whatever else I can glean. Not knowing the full story can lead to wrong presumptions, that's why I blamed Russia's policy for allowing Idlib to fester, and I don't think I'm wrong about that.
Best comment here.
It would seem that Russia, Iran and Syria's Bashar Assad have made a very clever clean exit from a potentially deadly and blood-soaked event.
Lavrov's comments at Doha were especially prescient when he reiterated the importance of implementing 'the rule of law'. In this instance he was referring to UN Security Council Resolution 2254, dated Dec 18, 2015 which set out a "Road Map for Peace in Syria".
Key elements include:
Ceasefire: Demands an immediate ceasefire by all parties, with a view to establishing a lasting peace.
Political Transition: Calls for a Syrian-led and owned political process, facilitated by the United Nations, to establish a new constitution and hold free and fair elections.
Inclusive Governance: Emphasizes the importance of an inclusive governance structure, representing all segments of Syrian society.
International Support: Requests the international community to provide humanitarian assistance and economic support to Syria, while also urging countries to take measures to prevent the flow of fighters and weapons into the country.
Key Provisions:
The Syrian Government and opposition groups are called upon to engage in UN-facilitated talks, with a view to achieving a political transition.
A nationwide ceasefire is to be established as soon as the parties concerned have taken initial steps towards a political transition.
The UN Secretary-General is requested to submit a report within one month on the implementation of the resolution.
The Security Council decides to remain seized of the matter and to review progress in implementing the resolution.
Impact:
Despite being adopted unanimously, Resolution 2254 has yet to be fully implemented. The Syrian conflict continues, and efforts to establish a political transition and ceasefire have been hindered by various factors, including the lack of agreement among key parties and the ongoing presence of foreign forces and fighters in the country.
https://www.aa.com.tr/en/middle-east/un-special-envoy-calls-for-urgent-political-talks-on-syria-to-implement-un-security-council-resolution/3417638
It would seem that by withdrawing from the country, Assad and his supporters in Russia and Iran have made the only legal and sensible manoeuvre. Any violence or destruction that occurs after today is clearly the responsibility of the actors on the ground, i.e., US occupational military, Kurdish factions, Turkish participants, Israeli military invaders and all their proxy jihadist mercenary employees (regardless of rebranding).
https://francesleader.substack.com/p/from-russia-with-love
Hmmm.... I should have provided the Doha transcripts. I see an official English transcript is now available for Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov’s answers to questions at the 22th Doha Forum, 07 December 2024, which isn't his statements to media at the presser, https://mid.ru/en/foreign_policy/news/1986144/
Perhaps the latter important item will be provided. It's here in Russian, https://mid.ru/ru/foreign_policy/news/1986153/
https://youtu.be/mIFy173qxHo - all in English. Lavrov answering questions from Al Jazeera.
That would be this English transcript, https://mid.ru/en/foreign_policy/news/1986144/
LOL!
The ZIONISTS ARE ALREADY THERE (HTS)! An ISLAMIC EXTREMIST TERRORIST GROUP TURNED INTO USA/TURKEY,ZIONIST ISLAMIC EXTREMIST PROXY ARMY. Another GENOCIDE/ETHNIC CLEANSING OF THE SYRIAN PEOPLE.
In reply to another commentator I suggested, HTS is just another member of the Outlaw US Empire's Terrorist Foreign Legion, and to that I'd add the Zionists. The Empire's been using terrorism and terrorists as a tool since its inception.
absolutely! and i see they were congratulated immediately by the taliban!!
Do you have a source for that? I'd say Taliban and HTS are completely different. Taliban comprises only of locals - they where established (well with a little help from Pakistan at the beginning) as a result of the civil war in the 1990 years. They have no intent to export neither their ideology nor terrorism, they aren't rent-a-merc. Well heavily into islamic conservatism, probably enriched with a lot of local tradition and customs. Which isn't surprising given that "Talib" is a student of a religious school ("Taliban" being the plural in Dari/Pashto/Farsi).
i don't, but i did see it somewhere..
US has used First World aerospace and mechanized ground force to terrorize the defenseless who scarcely respond.
It used Mujahideen and now HTS as low tech puppets…..
so why do you think Assad just threw up his arms and surrendered ?
Better that than risk being subjected to the Saddam Hussein/Muammar Qaddafi treatment.
yeah - from what I've been reading he just gave up. Poor Syria And Russia's airbases - what about those now. Andrew Korybko thinks it really important to get rid of the terrorists and let Syrians vote in another govnerment
I would have done the same, frankly. Because I think the people involved, from the identified terrorists to the ones wearing suits, are utterly ruthless, without morality or conscience. I think Korybko is right but then, we're all sane and the people involved in this are batshit crazy IMO.
Two reasons: For his family's safety and for the greater good of Syria.
I'm watching Marandi now - on George Galloway - honestly I don't think Assad leaving is in Syria's best interest - Marandi says after the rapproachment with the Gulf States Assad distanced Syria from Iran - as was stipulated in the rapproachment. He was never liked before 2011 - Russia called him ' their guy ' meaning he facilitated black prisons in Syria for the CIA - and then during the whole of the Syrian war he was a hero but it sounds like he was fluctuating again. He didn't even tell Russia what he was doing. The Russian FM put out an announcement saying they had nothing to do with this.
Syrian's entire 21st Century history would be an amazing tale if it could be objectively compiled. Today, that's impossible. Indeed, all of West Asia's history during that same period would be extremely important to know, but I very seriously doubt if any one individual knows it all. The example of the elephant in the room being examined by a dozen blind people is apt. Escobar was correct to place an historical context to it all and bring forth Xenophon, https://sputnikglobe.com/20241206/pepe-escobar-the-syria-tragedy-and-the-new-omni-war-1121108341.html
thank you so much for communication - I really appreciate it. its very disturbing and I will have a look at the article by Pepe Escobar. I'm also trying to listen to Lavrov's speech - its about 1/2 hour, but my hearing isn't perfect and there are no subtitles - so I may not get thruogh it.
https://youtu.be/ZB96v5bGlpM
would be awesome to read an article about Doha
Let's see the choices you think Assad had.
More than likely to try and save lives. It won't work.
I think by this time we should see that the ruling powers in the west are zionists. They are the leading zionists and the jews are secondary zionists. The Empire is zionist.
"The Islamic rebel terrorists seeking to overthrow Bashar al-Assad in Syria went on Israeli TV on Sunday to profess their "love" for the Jewish state and credit Israel's attacks on Syria and Hezbollah for their shock advance."
https://www.informationliberation.com/?id=64761
I wonder how much they will love Israel when the Zionists turn on them and seize any territory for "Greater Israel" that these terrorists thought they'd captured for themselves.
A rhetorical question. The beleaguered SAA melted away as quickly as the US puppet army in Afghanistan when the Taliban said boo. One wonders, did Russia CHOOSE not to participate? It's very unlikely that it could be so easily blindsided and unaware of CIA/Mossad sponsorship of al Qaeda -> al Nusra -> ISIS -> HTS or the devolution of the last two decades of Zionists' perpetual war. (4.3 million dead and counting per Browning U estimate)
So the Palestinians (Amalekites) are once again abandoned to the tender mercies of the bloodthirsty Jehovah — every man, woman, child, suckling baby, their sheep, oxen, and donkeys. No country but Yemen has the moral fiber to uphold international law and the genocide convention.
Russia used its aerospace forces very widely, so it participated. The question is why did it choose to halt? IMO, that was linked to what transpired in Doha. Do note what the PR said about Russia's Syrian bases.
I think it's self-evident that not only did Russia choose not to intervene, but the same can be said of Iran, Hezbollah in Lebanon and China too - although in the latter case it's difficult to see what they could've done.
It's almost as if everyone knew it was time for Assad to go.
"But will the SAA without an official central government defend Syria from a Zionist invasion?"
I think it's unlikely. The SAA couldn't cope with a relatively rag-tag army of rebels. Squaring off against Israel with just the remnants of the Syrian military would be suicide. Everyone should lay down their arms and preserve life for the time being.
Regarding Israel, it will be very interesting to watch what happens next. Everyone assumes Israel and the HTS are in cahoots at some level, but would HTS accept an Israeli invasion of Syrian territory? Perhaps not, especially considering that the Syrian territory adjacent to Israel is largely Sunni Muslim, like HTS.
At a minimum, I think it's safe to say that the Golan Heights is now Israel.
Israel already controlled the Golan Heights. Doesn't matter what the UN had to say about it.
Agreed. But whereas one in the past might have held out some small hope that the Golan would return to Syria, I judge that chance to have dwindled to nothing.
That's what I also highlighted in my latest article: https://geopolitiq.substack.com/p/the-meaning-of-the-fall-of-damascus
In my opinion not only the CIA has coordinated this operation with Turkey, Israel and HTS, but it has also paid the Syrian Arab Army to stand down, as they did with Iraqi troops in 2003.
That’s how I explain the quick fall of Assad’s Syria: his troops stopped fighting well before he instructed them "to transfer power peacefully". I do not agree with analysts saying that Iran and Russia sold Syria to the US. To gain what? Get cornered in the Middle East and East Med? It does not make sense!
I've been meaning to read your view but 200+ comments have detained me.
Wow! No problem! :)
On the other hand, I have just seen (but not read!) an article by John Helmer who seems to suggest quite the opposite (i.e. a deal between Russia and Turkey): https://johnhelmer.net/the-russian-general-staff-kremlin-discuss-holding-the-latakia-sanjak-to-defend-bases-agree-to-withdraw-under-turkish-safe-passage/
Finally read your article and left comment. A Russia-Turk deal has more surface credibility, something I'll explore along with a host of others tomorrow.
I just read Marat Khairullin’s Telegram channel and I think he confirmed that it is a “strategic deal” between Putin and Erdogan.
This probably also explains Erdogan’s comment yesterday.
https://t.me/voenkorkhayrullin/3937
I visit his VK daily, although I skipped yesterday. I found his essay an excellent counterpoint to my policy failure assessment and will mirror it later this morning so otehrs can benefit from reading it.
I understand that you are very busy because you take all the time to give comments. thank you for that! Marat’s view makes me a bit more optimistic again:)
I awoke to 51 notifications today, and I’ve now plowed through those and eaten breakfast.
yeah. Assad stood his ground for many years. But he should have contacted Putin first. He should have stayed. But I agree that there was alot against staying. And his wife is in the midst of cancer treatment. He's tired I suppose. Hopefully he will be able to live with himself for doing it now.
We're not privy to all that's transpired. My focus on policy failure was made because there's evidence for that conclusion. But there are other possibilities. What Lavrov discussed at Doha didn't just come out of thin air.
yes , I don't even understand the whole Doha thing except I read somewhere that Lavrov seems angry Sorry - not as informed as you by a long shot.
https://api.bitchute.com/video/qEUypzarXKpx/ - Sergei Lavrov at Doha
A big answer for me will come when Israel makes its inevitable open move (as opposed to the support of these proxy terrorists) and claims a large chunk of Syria beyond the Golan Heights. If Russia and VVP stand by idly and recognize it as legitimate, what does that say about Zionist oligarch influence in Russia or the level of infiltration/melding of Russian security services by the Israelis.
Not hard to predict. Right after Trump is inaugurated. They'll prob. try to destroy Lebanon first, tho.
I just meant how Russia reacts to it, if at all.
Russia doesn't recognize Golan as Zionist land, so it's very unlikely Russia will do an about-face on that question. Recall the UNSCR that's being used as the legal basis here. That will be further mentioned when I write again tomorrow.
thanks karl..
does anyone know of the time that assad arrived in moscow with his family?? anyone?? or more specifically what time the plane left with him on it to russia?? thanks in advance...
Wasn't some guy at Moon of Alabama posting links to the alleged flight and saying it never landed, i.e., a conspiracy that it was shot down or disappeared?
maybe there was! i missed it... too many comments at moa to follow at present.. thanks though and if you see more details -- please let me know! cheers..
See my reply to him and this, https://www.rt.com/russia/609008-russia-assad-plane-crash/
thanks karl... so plane left early hours of sunday carrying the assad family is what i get from this... thanks!
Check for a new username "BurnEye" - I think that's the handle of the person posting the speculative comments about Assad's plane supposedly rapidly losing altitude after leaving Syrian airspace. For what it's worth. Search the comments under the Syria has Fallen post by b.
Looked like a classic "Afghan Landing", FWIW
That was Reuters BS that Russia called an outright lie. https://www.rt.com/russia/609008-russia-assad-plane-crash/
The Russian Navy left, I believe. Status of their land forces and air assets unknown to me.
Not clear who will be in charge when and for what.
Lot of that so far is fakes. But it may well be the eventual result
i saw a video of them moving the s400 or 500's a few days ago.. not sure where they drove them to, but i saw that from about 2 days ago..
Russia and Iran lost this one. Big time.
USA and Israel and Turkey are laughing their asses off and are on the move.
All of the spin smells like a cesspool.
SAA is done, it's dismantled. Their key sites and hardware are siezed, blown up, or bombed, their leadership is utterly discredited.
A number of the civil bodies of the Syrian state continue and seem to have seamlessly switched over to the HTS regime ... but the have no authority or anything like that. HTS (and FSA) will give way to occupation by Turkey, Israel, and US. However, parties especially interested in depopulation (ie, both Israel and Turkey) may drag out the intermediate stage for that reason. Kurdistan is an open question.
If statelet of Tartus and Latakia can be preserved that would be amazing, but I very much doubt that, considering it's some of the most valuable real estate. It's pretty much a total loss of the country.
the omelet's ingredients have yet to meet the pan and its heat.