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heikomr's avatar

The USA as an anti-fascist power in the fight for freedom and democracy? I think that's just propaganda and blah blah blah. Russia knows better. The USA and Great Britain provided organizational, financial and economic support in Hitler's build-up of a military power that they wanted to see in action against the Soviet Union and later did see in action. There was only "one flaw". Hitler first turned against France and Great Britain. After the war, the USA, Canada and Great Britain gladly accepted the services of the German Nazis. Often with blackmail. Or France blackmailed German prisoners of war into serving in the Foreign Legion in Southeast Asia.... ... Today's European "elites" are a product of the CIA, WEF (listen to Klaus Schwab, who in turn is a product of Kissinger and the Rockefellers). The US has always used every Nazi, criminal, terrorist and mass murderer for its interests. Including the Nazification of parts of the Ukrainian and Baltic populations. I won't disagree with the "European part" of the report.

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heikomr's avatar

I would like to add that Trump has no reservations about war crimes, mass murder and genocide either. See Ukraine, Yemen and Gaza.

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WTFUD's avatar

Shush that was 72 hours ago so get with the new narrative, it's a new dawn, it's a new day, it's a new crock and I'm feeling gooooooood.

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Tedder130's avatar

And don't forget how the US weaponized the mujahideen Islamists fundamentalists (often landowners rebelling against the socialist government) for its war on the USSR, then later in Chechnya and Syria.

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bevin's avatar

Yes, and while it is true that British Imperialism was an important inspiration of Nazi ideology, US racial policies and the ethnic cleansing of the country were at least equally important.

As to the Jacobins, the dominant party in the US supported them against the British, while the war of 1812, not coincidentally, benefitted Napoleon's power at a time when he was marching on Russia.

The USA's participation in the war against Hitler in Europe was on a par with Canada's.

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dornoch altbinhax's avatar

It's a republic if you can keep it. The US has its oligarchy who learned the lessons of empire from the brits and others. The Americans "liberated" the Philippines and slaughtered those Filipinos who didn't see it as liberation but occupation. And here we are with an expanded Monroe Doctrine, except its authors are on level of Dr Seuss.

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Karl Sanchez's avatar

Dr. Seuss was a rather smart guy. These dudes in Team Trump are more like jellyfish with moneybelts.

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retka's avatar

Why does Russia's Foreign Intelligence Service frame the issue as European fascism being the "common enemy" of the USA and Russia?

It's an attempt to politically pander to the Americans, as part of their current Ukraine War/geopolitical negotiations with the USA.

But Europe is ultimately an American vassal.

So if the vassal is fascist, what that does say about his master?

This is the unspoken issue that is carefully avoided in that article.

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Karl Sanchez's avatar

Yes, you make a very valid point. Very few authors globally denounce—or perhaps reveal is a better word—the documented fact that the USA preserved Nazism and kept it flourishing in Eastern Europe. We should also see Neocons as evolved kinsmen of the Nazis, while Neoliberals are evolved kinsmen of the English Landlord/Rentier Class, both of which are fundamentally authoritarian.

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Anna's avatar

Glucksmann was born into a jewish family. "Between 2005 and 2012, he was an adviser to Mikheil Saakashvili [in 2008, Saakashvili started a war over South Ossetia with the help of the US/UK and Israeli forces. The war was lost]. Glucksmann was married to Eka Zguladze, who was a special adviser to Saakashvili from 2009 to 2012 and later served as First Deputy Minister of Internal Affairs of Ukraine from 2014 to 2016."

Summary:

1. Glucksmann has been feeding at the USAID trough for a long time

2. Glucksmann demands a total and unquestionable support for the Ukrainian neo-Nazi (so kosher of him!) "With 14% in the polls, Raphaël Glucksmann, the leader of the Socialist Party (PS) list, is making the defence of Ukraine the priority of his campaign."

3. Glucksmann is a regular opportunist and comprador. The Kievan Junta is his true home.

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Diana van Eyk's avatar

Thanks for this important bit of history, Karl. I look forward to reading more of this type of material from you.

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Karl Sanchez's avatar

Well, the SVR wrote it. I await their article on OSS/MI6 support for Nazis and aiding its survival in Europe after WW2, or perhaps it’s already been written, and I missed it. I don’t know much about French Fascism and its pre-war development. It’s clear the Danes didn’t forget their previous immersion in Nazism as it’s roared back to life there.

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WTFUD's avatar

All those cold-war moooveees of Soviet dissidents being smuggled out of Russia/East Germany. Now it's Western dissidents fleeing to Moscow. Even the lily-livered liberals who flew the coop at the beginning of the SMO for sanctuary in the civilised West are returning tail between legs.

I'll not hear a bad word said about Churchill, he did us a big favour in Gallipoli. If the fat bastard had any decency in him he'd have loaded his gun, raised it to his temple and fired.

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Karl Sanchez's avatar

When I visited Gallipoli in 1998, I met a large contingent of Aussies there on their pilgrimage to honor their kinsmen. Very instructive.

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Edhead's avatar

European Fascism is very far from the enemy of Washington. European Techno-Fascism is the imperial working model for the "new world order" and the Imperial goal stated 80 years ago. Global full spectrum domination by fascist ideology is fully operational and will continue until the fascist ability to destroy human civilization with nuclear weapons is nuteralized.

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WTFUD's avatar

Every fascist has a plan until they get a drone in the face.

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dornoch altbinhax's avatar

Their dream of an electronic panopticon is predicated on cheap energy to run data centres, and cheap compute power for mass surveillance. Now that China is blocking the materials, and Russian cheap energy is history I'd suggest that this deployment will melt or crumble. China is steaming ahead with removing western tech from its chain, and is massively investing its own. China can scale investment, the west I'd suggest is going to have major issues doing ROI and scaling. Intel just took a valuation hit, and this isn't going to be papered over.

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Karl Sanchez's avatar

China is now the schoolmaster and is in the process of teaching a lesson.

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dornoch altbinhax's avatar

In my day those kind of lessons involved caning.

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Acco Hengst's avatar

The Boer War in South Africa offers excellent examples of British imperialism including the use of concentration camps (lagers) for civilians and prisoners.

Eurofascism is a big word. Too big for my taste, there are some 26 EU countries and a lot more if we include the members of NATO.

GreenPeace stopped some of its activities after fatalities inflicted on them by the French military. The French and Germans exhibit strong nationalism; I think of England as a kakocracy. The French prefer to vacation in France, the Germans still consider themselves as Übermenschen. Spain and Italy are the soft underbellies of the European economy.

Merz has been told that Taurus targeting can only be performed by the German military which makes a transfer to the Ukies unlikely, no matter what that green little narcoführer says.

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Karl Sanchez's avatar

Spain and Italy are the best performing economies in EU. Agreed, Eurofascism is too broad.

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Lubica's avatar

Might be of interest?

“ Caroline Elkins, a professor at Harvard University, argues quite convincingly that the totalitarian regime of Hitler's Germany borrowed the idea of creating concentration camps and the practice of genocide from the British. It is emphasized that British "liberal imperialism" is a more stable and therefore even more destructive force than fascism, since it has "ideological elasticity", the ability to distort facts, hide realities and adapt to new conditions.”

https://open.substack.com/pub/trendcompass/p/social-justice-and-social-engineering

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Lubica's avatar

Oooops! Apologies. I meant to say that Alex Krainer’s post might be of interest in relation to the quote in your post! Mea culpa, mea maxima culpa!

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Loam's avatar

I am not so naive or OPPORTUNISTIC as to draw a dividing line between Washington's imperial fascism and its proxy fascism in Brussels (and London). Faced with the US's self-inflicted defeat in Ukraine, Washington now cowardly seeks to revive its Hollywood-style "alliance" (World War II) with Russia. Raising the old specter of Nazism, which the US itself has resurrected and nurtured, and making Europe the scapegoat, is a trap the Russians should be wary of. It is possible (and desirable) that the EU will disappear, European governments will change, and Europe will free itself from the imperialist yoke. A united and independent Europe of the peoples, which would of course include Russia, is something London and Washington have always opposed. However, many Europeans want such a union and are struggling for it.

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Don Firineach's avatar

Humour can be devastating.

... and enjoyable, notwithstanding the seriousness of the issue under discussion.

Atlanticist fascism has two wings - Euro and Washington - and its main target is the party in power in the PRC - RF and IRI are preludes and the Taiwan proxy awaits.

This is global - ergo, the fight has to be global - military, financial, economic, information, up to whatever it takes. RF cannot do this on its own .... enter 'The Allies'!

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charles leone's avatar

Great post. Thanks Karl.

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uncle tungsten's avatar

Yes yes, there are fascists in UKUSA and they have installed a new horror:

https://www.kitklarenberg.com/p/somaliland-british-colony-palestinian

"In recent months, Somaliland has become a subject of intense, unprecedented interest for the Western media. As Israeli and US officials scramble to find a destination to forcibly relocate Gaza’s population from their shattered homeland, the little-acknowledged, unrecognised breakaway statelet is increasingly viewed as an attractive option. Multiple mainstream media reports indicate officials in Tel Aviv and Washington are making discrete overtures to Hargeisa on the topic. On March 14th, the Financial Times revealed:..."

Yes that's the same Financial Times that confidently publishes the SS agenda for the day.

But do read the entire report as Kit is on the target yet again.

The USA and UK are both fully colonised entities (ex states) and will do what the hegemon directs.

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Davy Ro's avatar

Sadly, the ruling classes of my country, backed by the most experienced & well ran propaganda system on the planet. Have always managed to convince the gullible masses in my country, of their noble & moral policies on a World stage. Despite the staggering amounts of evidence they're anything but noble or moral in their actions. I can give a list as long as my arm of things to be proud of about my country. But none of those things have anything to do with the ruling classes. The ruling classes will side with anyone or anything no matter what that entails. As long as they believe they profit in 1 way or another. I've noticed something about those in this cult of dictators. They've always had an obsession with Crimea & Odessa. These areas of the Black Sea have cropped in for 2 reason or another over the decades. The thing that I don't get is how they always get away with their crimes. They never ever seem to have to answer for any of their actions. When I hear someone who I love to listen to Andrei Martynov. Describe these people as nobodies , pathetic, terrorists, uneducated & many other correct descriptions. I can't help getting the feeling he's missing a massive set of facts about these people. They've caused a lot of pain for Russia & Russian citizens, they've no doubt profited financially massively. They're living a fantastic life in great houses. Which leaves the question, who are the real uneducated pathetic nobodies? I don't like to be a little critical of Andrei, but does he honestly believe anyone insulting these people by stating they're this & that means anything to them at all. They laugh in the faces of their own citizens every day of the week. Right now this is all a game of playing at being James Bond for these people. The last thing they care about is what anyone from Russia, China or America for that matter thinks of them. Their arrogance is beyond anything you'd believe possible after all.

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Karl Sanchez's avatar

Martynov’s derision does get tiresome. The rich have what I call Class Chauvinism, a haughty arrogance, a snootiness that actually demeans them. The attempt to create a classless society based on merit where everyone gets an opportunity to shine is he sort of humanist entity that must be formed. That’s easier to do when most everyone is poor and of the same class instead of multi-class where some view their position as privilege/entitled. I recall the groups of Christian radicals from the English Civil War known as Levelers and another called Diggers who aimed at the classless society they believed God meant to formulate. They of course, were killed off by other Christians who wanted to keep their class positions. Very instructive, that war.

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Edhead's avatar

I agree that Euro-fascism is the enemy of Russia and actually the entire world, Washington is a part of the Techno-feudal power structure now in formation. "America" is leading the way to the beautiful new world of no more than 2 billion happy people living beautiful lives in a society which has eliminated the useless polluters and no longer has to worry about their environment.

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Tedder130's avatar

In regard to the Crimean War, perhaps the aid of Americans to Russia inspired the Czar to send the Russian Fleet to prevent the British from breaking America's blockade of the South during the Civil War. I know this happened but never appreciated why.

In regard to Slavs, I have always been fascinated how the Banderites twist their mythology so that they are descendants of Vikings, and not the hated Slavs.

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Karl Sanchez's avatar

Yes, there’s a connection between the two conflicts. There was a period where Great Russian Chauvinism existed and was a form of exceptionalism that relegated others to a subordinate position, particularly in the outlying regions of the Russian Empire. Thus, ethnic nationalism was created as a tool to fight that oppression and still exists today. Those in Galicia were subjected to a different ethnic oppression—Austro-Hungarian—within the Hapsburg Empire. Europe as a whole can be seen as a fractured edifice broken along ethno-linguistic lines in a process that remains incomplete.

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Paul's avatar

Looking at events through the lens of the energy/resources issue, as opposed to ideology, the fact that the age of oil is at its apex and the availability of oil will he diminishing from now on, as well as other resources, the following conclusion can be drawn.

Europe, and especially the UK, needs Russia's energy and resources because the Europe has pretty much none of it. Europe has no option other than getting what it needs from Russia. They've decided that stealing it is a better option than buying, probably realizing that their power in terms of trade is waning. The US doesn't need Russia's resources, but will gladly help itself to them if the conditions are right, if the cost is not too high.

If a full-scale war breaks out between Europe and Russia, Europe is toast, at least at this point. But if Europe manages to put a big enough dent in Russia's military power, the US will probably gladly join in to get a portion of the spoils, if not all of it. And that goes for the US under Trump or anybody else.

What we're probably witnessing is the beginning of the fight for the remaining resources of the Carbon Pulse, the age of unprecedented and unrepeatable material prosperity and luxury. Everybody will try to get as much of the remaining stuff as possible - the West wants to keep the wild party going for a few more decades, the rest want to have some of the luxury too.

All this shit is batshit crazy. People the world over should unite and work toward an oilless future, build infrastructure facilitating some form of comfortable existence, and so on, instead of burning stuff in idiotic wars.

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Karl Sanchez's avatar

NATO cannot beat Russia. Europe is geoeconomically dependent on Russia unless it wishes to wilt economically. The UK has completely mismanaged itself into an abyss that might consume it. Currently, the Iberians and Italians are the two healthy economic zones because of their energy sources. Both EU/NATO structures are fracturing and will soon break completely. And that will be good medicine for Europe.

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Paul's avatar

Yes. I'm trying to look at things from a long perspective (centuries) and figure out what sort of strategies they must be thinking.

I don't know if the UK has mismanaged itself - they're probably doing what they can, but don't have a whole lot of options. They modus operandi is scheming - fucking things up to their benefit, pitting others one against another and/or using them to fight their wars and benefit from the outcome.

The whole West has mismanaged itself by thinking that they can outsource not only labor but also the mid-level intellectual work to others and keep living off them.

If industrial civilization is to be winding down over the next hundred years or so (unless a new source of energy is discovered and the whole industrial processed transformed toward being sustainable), the crucial thing now is to prevent a nuclear war would wipe the whole show out. All things considered, right now and the years to come might be the most precarious in the entire human history, given the destructive potential the two-legged idiots have.

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