It's hard to disagree for any moral person, with what the greatest leader of our times states. On most if not all the time. It's unbelievable the demise in all Western rulers today. I've been around just short of 6 decades. I like to believe I'm young at heart & mind & I do keep myself fit. But it's staggering to see a man of President Putin's age get through the workload he does. It's not just that it's how well he does it. Sergio Lavrov deserves a mention also for that matter. My age means I've witnessed a lot of leaders. It also means I've witnessed such a demise in my own country it beggars belief. The people chosen & placed into their positions. Are chosen for all the wrong reasons. This is Western democracy today, a total corrupt disaster. The differences are so mind boggling, it's impossible for me to explain. That is to 99% of my friends & family as they don't know geopolitics like myself. The only view they have of Russia & President Putin. Are what they've been told by the most Anti Russian & Rusdophobic country on the planet (GB). The media & politicians would collapse if the country knew the Truth about Russia & it's leader. The ones I have managed to educate & direct to the right areas to research. Have became as much as admirers as myself. It's also put them in the picture of our own rulers. I've managed to debate 2 MP's in recent years. The debates lasted minutes after I totally destroyed them by simple facts. The truth is their greatest enemy. This is what President Putin is stating, it's about morals, it's about truth & being dignified. You'd believe it was a simple straight forward message. It might be in Russia, it's impossible for Western rulers to do so. Today the media can't challenge them, never mind ask for any proof of their pathetic accusations.
Agreed. For many years my main suggestion to Russia was to merely tell the truth/explain reality and back it with the genuine facts. In his latest chat with Nima, Pepe Escobar described his experiences in Nizhny Novgorod and the aim of the Global South to collectively do an end run around BigLie Media. He also provides other info, but I’m guessing you’d be interested in this new media model. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMYcDaI4ROQ
I love to listen to both Nima & Pepe. Not that Nima says much. He's a brilliant host & let's his guests explain their knowledge properly without interruption. I listen to his videos every day while at work. Pepe is easily in the top 5 of the people I love to hear. I also love to listen to Allister Crooke, he knows the inner workings from all sides & has vast knowledge. Which I know you are well aware of. Thank you for what you do it's much appreciated.
G'day Karl, the truth well I do wonder whether what we see in Russia and it leaders actions is as it appears or is how it is what it appears. Yes what we see on your site suggests VVP is amazing and morality seems a guiding light yet on the flip side I see but cannot verify that Orthodox celebrations are not permitted due to security reasons(sic) but many large outdoor eid el adha prayer session numbering in the thousands are permitted. Plus how long was the Orthodox church under threat in Ukraine whilst the RF acquiesced in the face of the growing threat to the state and Russian speakers in the Donbass and then goaling of the leaders of the so called sepatists and disappearance of some others.
Yes the great replacement I hear, obviously I do not believe in this but the increase in the prevalence of Islam in a supposed Judeo/Christian government seems perplexing, I admit to not being fully conversant with the Chechnya experience of the Russian state and the role of the Asian states in the RFed.
Maybe some articles tying this together with the go slow of the SMOor WAT or a war without having a war but we are just being nice and moral in the face of terrorism and allied atrocities.
The previous clarity seemly is becoming murky and less coherent and the certainty or a belief in it's possibilities seems impossible lately.
Without accepting the grinding hope of a future victory if no backroom deal is done with the shonky dealer dude from the big Apple.
The peoples of the Caucasus are another very different story with its fifty different “nationalities” as they were called by the West before and during the Cold War, the Chechens being just one. It’s quite fascinating. I wrote a paper about them in 1993.
Thanks for the links re Tatars and Kazan, I hope the Saudis and Qataris haven't been funding mosque construction and proselytising as they have in Indonesia and created salafi wahabbi pesantrens and madhrassahs as I personally have experienced the changes over the last thirty years in Indonesia and it has not been positive.
One of the reasons why Russia was so happy to get into OPEC+ was to influence the Saudis and Qataris and get them to cease their destructive activities. That’s proven to be a success.
I do hope you are correct as it will create great problems for the RF as it has done in Indonesia, I see the problems first hand there and similar situations happened in both places. One converted from socialism to capitalism whilst the other transformed from autocracy to supposed democracy, yes free and fair elections but not much else.
Religious fundamentalists aka takfiris returned to the country after reformasi and changes swiftly followed alongside the graduations from pesantren funded by salafi states.
I do wonder how a state can stop this insidious change in the ummahs belief structures when they previously were secular in both cases. Al quran is generally not studied by the majority but is enthusiastically melodiously recited, competitions abound but a complete acceptance of the ulamas dakwah is the norm hence my apprehension!!
I have lost count of the number of times when our glorious Western leaders have invoked "our values", "our Western values", "our European values", or "our British values".
But they NEVER say what those values are! Perhaps because those values are directly contrary to the policies our governments are following.
Mr Putin is moral, straightforward and honest.
"Traditional values are moral guidelines that have been established by our ancestors over the centuries. They are the foundation of our civilization and identity, providing support for individuals and families, shaping our culture, and fostering a sovereign worldview that resists attempts to impose foreign wills.
"The values that define us are the unity of the peoples of Russia, commitment to truth and justice, mercy and humanism, a strong family, and love for children. It is about mutual assistance and the desire to achieve not only personal well-being, but also the success of the entire country. And of course, it is about patriotism and loyalty to one's homeland".
6000 Ukrainian corpses looking to be laid to rest. Where's the Ukrainian public's outrage? If Putin refused the corpses of Russian soldiers the Russian people would protest in numbers, the army also.
Von der Lying Sack demands a Russian ceasefire, not to gather up those who perished on the battlefield but to bring in more engineering equipment to dig more trenches, plant more mines, repair tanks/IFV's and pressgang more dupes off the street.
Once dead you're now a liability to Ukraine/NATO.
6000 corpses (possibly another 40,000 I hear). Maybe the engineering equipment can be used to dig more graves.
Those 6000 have a mother & father, maybe a brother(s) and sister(s), cousins, aunts & uncles. They all have name-tags so if not done already publish the names & ranks of the dead and possibly 50,000 relatives will be on the street tomorrow.
Some media have declared Putin guilty of weaponizing the dead. Martyanov recently had a video showing an excavator standing by as troops placed several body bags into the shallow pit the machine had dug. The troops done, the excavator started up and began pilling the dirt back on top. Unmarked graves like that from WW1 are still discovered, and there’s a volunteer Russian group that every summer goes out to look for more of the same from WW2, and they still find a few yearly. If you’ve not seen the Russian film “Come and See” and how entire villages were completely erased via Plan Ost policy, you might try—it’s one thing to read about the plans and the war reports and another to watch how it was done.
Even the fake NATO/Mossad trained IS & Ali Qaeda Jihadis bury their dead within 48 hours which is further proof of the Godless Satanic Western Vermin's Demonic Nature.
Participants of the meeting of the Security Council of the Russian Federation (via videoconference)
June 10, 2025
Permanent members of the Security Council :
MISHUSTIN Mikhail Vladimirovich – Chairman of the Government of the Russian Federation
MATVIENKO Valentina Ivanovna – Chairperson of the Federation Council of the Federal Assembly of the Russian Federation
VOLODIN Vyacheslav Viktorovich – Chairman of the State Duma of the Federal Assembly of the Russian Federation
MEDVEDEV Dmitry Anatolyevich – Deputy Chairman of the Security Council of the Russian Federation
VAINO Anton Eduardovich – Head of the Administration of the President of the Russian Federation
SHOIGU Sergey Kuzhugetovich – Secretary of the Security Council of the Russian Federation
PATRUSHEV Nikolay Platonovich – Assistant to the President of the Russian Federation
BELOUSOV Andrey Removich – Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation
KOLOKOLTSEV Vladimir Aleksandrovich – Minister of Internal Affairs of the Russian Federation
LAVROV Sergey Viktorovich – Minister of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation
NARYSHKIN Sergey Evgenievich – Director of the Foreign Intelligence Service of the Russian Federation
IVANOV Sergey Borisovich – Special Representative of the President of the Russian Federation on environmental protection, ecology and transport
Members of the Security Council :
KRASNOV Igor Viktorovich – Prosecutor General of the Russian Federation
MANTUROV Denis Valentinovich – First Deputy Chairman of the Government of the Russian Federation
DYUMIN Aleksey Gennadievich – Assistant to the President of the Russian Federation
KURENKOV Alexander Vyacheslavovich - Minister of the Russian Federation for Civil Defense, Emergencies and Elimination of Consequences of Natural Disasters
CHUICHENKO Konstantin Anatolyevich – Plenipotentiary Representative of the President of the Russian Federation in the Southern Federal District
CHAIKA Yuri Yakovlevich – Plenipotentiary Representative of the President of the Russian Federation in the North Caucasian Federal District
ZOLOTOV Viktor Vasilyevich - Director of the Federal Service of the National Guard Troops of the Russian Federation - Commander-in-Chief of the National Guard Troops of the Russian Federation
LINETS Alexander Leonidovich – Head of the Main Directorate of Special Programs of the President of the Russian Federation
SKVORTSOVA Veronika Igorevna – Head of the Federal Medical and Biological Agency
Sergei Semenovich SOBYANIN – Mayor of Moscow
BEGLOV Alexander Dmitrievich – Governor of St. Petersburg
NURGALIEV Rashid Gumarovich - First Deputy Secretary of the Security Council of the Russian Federation
Invited :
GOLIKOVA Tatyana Alekseevna – Deputy Chairman of the Government of the Russian Federation
BRYCHEVA Larisa Igorevna – Assistant to the President of the Russian Federation – Head of the State and Legal Department of the President of the Russian Federation
MEDINSKY Vladimir Rostislavovich – Assistant to the President of the Russian Federation
ARTYUKHOV Dmitry Andreevich – Governor of the Yamalo-Nenets Autonomous Okrug
SHEVTSOV Aleksey Leontyevich – Deputy Secretary of the Security Council of the Russian Federation
Thanks. I see the Kremlin updated the page with that additional info. I see from the roster that this meeting’s topics went well beyond values; for example, why didn’t the Education Minister attend or others that are related. Where’s Patriarch Kirill? The note by Shoigu was curious. Some of the documents he named I’d like to find and read. What I’d also be interested in reading is a listing of what Russia deems to be deviant values if one exists.
Again, thanks for your contribution. I don’t see where Shoigu adds anything more to what Putin said, although I will say again that it’s quite curious for I fail to recall any previous explanatory note being provided after a Security Council meeting.
Actually I do not believe the security council meeting was about protecting traditional spiritual and moral values, well yes but not entirely. What is not shared outside is probably related to immigration. For some reason everyone and everyone is offended by the discussion, so it is not shared with us, maybe. It seems to me that it is prohibited everywhere, not different to the anti semitism agenda. Well I do not know, it is my opinion, but certainly it is indisputable that traditional values are seriously affected by, in the case of Russia, foreign peoples. There is no reason to censor ourselves by talking about good, adequate and friendly peoples. The discussion is not about them, it is about some, not only a few unfortunately, that have no interest, nothing to contribute and worse actively behave purposely to negatively affect our communities and the state. Changing our values, this is unacceptable.
Patriarch Kirill has not been a participant at any security council meeting. Again I am not certain but anyway he also has a strong opinion about immigration, he even shared it at the World Russian Peoples Council. You probably saw it some time ago, if you did not I can find it for you. His views are known, upset some, you will have an opinion about why it is a problem to discuss for some. Capitalism needs it, I understand this. Big business only has profit as a traditional value, so there is that but even more sinister I believe.
Minister of education Sergey Sergeyevich Kravtsov is objectively one of the weakest ministers in Mishustin's cabinet and should be replaced. This is also my opinion. On the subject of immigration he also disgraced himself. State Duma member Mikhail Matveyev about introducing an entrance exam in Russian for children of foreigners, Kratsov declared “such an approach violates the rights of foreigners to receive an education”, and Russian schools need to be adapted to the needs of migrants. He changed his mind after the Presidential decree about a Russian language exam for children of foreigners, but who cannot see the strategy of him. Theater to impress others to the detriment of more substantive matters. This type of behaviour is devisive, controversial and dangerous.
Ha, I sound like a miserable grandmother! My friends opinion not mine, clearly
Yes, I’m aware of Kirill’s immigrations views. I have no way of judging Kravtsov’s performance, although the problem of relieving teachers of unnecessary bureaucratic burdens not being solved is a reflection on his lack of performance. Immigration is an important issue. When Russian was the lingua franca during the Soviet Era, the shuffling of peoples likely wasn’t as much of a problem, but then other issues also dominated. The generational break between 1990 and 2010 and the emphasis on national languages and customs versus Russian is part of the cause which is why the emphasis on opening Russian language schools in all ‘Stans, which is where most immigrants are coming from—and generally they are low-skill workers. The issue of immigration here is bad because the problem of structural racism was never addressed and is still a factor. Russia had its own period with that issue which is called Great Russian Chauvinism. Putin and much of his team are to be credited with doing their best to promote the multi-ethnic/multinational aspect of Russia as an asset, but problems still exist coming from both sides of the immigration issue. The riots happening across my nation are all generated by very genuine grievances that reach back to the initial settlement of America. IMO, the steepest learning curve for Humans is learning how to live in harmony with all other Humans. Attain that and we can all live in peace and prosper.
Do not talk about jews, do not talk about immigrants, do not talk about climate change, do not talk about men in womens sports and not only these. Meanwhile it is difficult to argue that at least one or more is negatively impacting peoples lives and everywhere. It is even more difficult to solve anything without talking. So who decided discussion of this is prohibited everywhere and everywhere and why?
The elephants own most global media platforms. That’s why I read Russian and Chinese media and Western alt-media. Although it must be admitted that freedom of discourse within the USA was never 100% as many subjects were taboo, a situation that slowly dissolved after WW2 but was replaced by a different sort of propaganda. Often the most outspoken people and places were the playwrights working on and off Broadway in New York City. Marx is condemned but Ayn Rand is worshiped as is the ism she promoted. And then there’s the elite educational system known as the Ivy League all of which began as religious colleges. What’s known as McCarthyism didn’t just happen from 1949-1954 as something very similar has existed at other times including now. Thus, the rising popularity of substack.
It cannot be unreasonable to believe leaving her mother and sister to be killed by nazis in Leningrad is the first example of her “unfettered self interest”, right? It really was a creature!
quote "By depriving nations of their values and sovereignty, it is easier to subjugate them and turn them into vassals."
very true! and indeed this is what the 'neo liberal' west with it's woke agenda is intent on doing too, although they don't mention the part of subjugating others any as that would be seen as very ''undemocratic'' lol... i am so tired of the propaganda bs coming out of my own country canada and other counties in the uncivilized west..
"The values that define us are ...about mutual assistance and the desire to achieve not only personal well-being, but also the success of the entire country." - V. Putin
It's interesting that Putin mentions mutual assistance as a Russian value. During the Russian revolution, a contemporary of Lenin by the name of Pyotr Kropotkin became influential. He was an anarchist and a geographer by training, and had made a number of expeditions throughout Russia. He was also a very keen observer of animal and human behavior. He wrote a famous book called Mutual Aid. In it he laid out convincing arguments against the more brutish, 'survival of the fittest' interpretation of evolution that was in vogue at the time. Kropotkin noted how numerous (and very successful) animal species behaved in ways that supported other individuals, rather than engaging in cutthroat competitiveness. You could think of the great herds of reindeer circling around a core of old, weak and young reindeer at the center where they are more protected, as an example.
I'm certain Mr. Putin knows all about Kropotkin and his philosophy. And it's interesting to see Kropotkin's concepts now given the status of national value in Russia.
Russia has always been mutualist at the commoner level. On nature, the great microbiologist Lynn Margulis said nature employs symbiosis and cooperation to advance, not competition. Consumption by different trophic groups is nature’s method of maintaining balance, which is why Chinese/Asians see harmony/balance as the best way. If you listened closely during “The Phantom Menace,” you’ll have heard about the “metaclorians” and their deed, and that the Gungans and Nabu formed a symbiont system. All very softly said. That was 1999, and I was jazzed that I got the underlying message that many millions have missed.
"... we stand for respect for the identity of countries and peoples, their customs and cultures."
This admirable moral position avoids the problem of countries ruled by toxic, sociopathic orthodoxies, manifesting harmful social inequalities. Inherently correct beliefs, axiomatically true opinions are woven into the social habits of any country's inhabitants, especially their rulers. The consequences of acting out orthodoxies may be benign or malign. Toxic orthodoxies result in harms to those deprived of social or international legitimacy.
Toxic, sociopathic orthodoxies contain instructions, permissions, injunctions, exhortations for causing harm, performing atrocities, manuals for nastiness by some against others, and even against themselves - self-harm, both within the country and outside it. Rulers systematically harm the ruled. Dominants harm submissives. Submission is coerced. The sociopathic orthodoxy is an infective social disease with the following types of manifestations:
[as contrasted with normal social habits of mutual benefit]
In particular:
▶belligerence; harmful combat, wars performed against designated enemies/threats & instigated in independent others;
▶stealing; impermitted, forbidden taking from others; [extracting resources from colonies, with or without settlers, corporate usurping of ownership of land and its produce; petty crime against property - burglary, shoplifting; scamming.]
▶coercively mentally instilling own orthodoxies, moral correctness in vulnerable others. [churches, missionaries, black propaganda, corporately owned communicative media.]
▶commercial combat, strife; [cheating on agreements; deceitful dealing; dumping and undercutting to spoil price mechanisms; sanctions; blockades; tariffs]
These are characteristics of centuries of imperialism. British, European, and American modi operandi.
A related problem for BRICS+ is that despite an country being commercially benign, its contractual trading dealings being correct and reliable [it doesn't renege on its agreements], its internal orthodoxy is psychopathic. How does a BRICS member accommodate its sovereign morality to that country's bad behaviour? From recent experience, seemingly not at all - it ignores the bad political smell under its nose.
I don't know how this problem can be solved in general, but pretending it doesn't exist isn't a solution.
The SMO is a practical solution to the 2014 ethnofascist coup in Ukraine and its consequences for Russians in Ukraine. After 8 long years of human, cultural and physical destruction in the Donbass, Russia joined the native inhabitants in directly throwing off the yoke of the Nazi ideologists and their political and military invasion. But that is an outlier, a special case where intervention was possible. What about the rest
Cleaning Humanity of all its ills to attain the betterment of all is a very thorny question that’s dogged me for half my life. What causes the rise of megalomania or pleonexia in people who were born “neutral” in that regard? What caused some cultures to move from cooperation to competition, which was very prominent with the onset of the Agricultural Revolution about 15,000 years ago? How will the newest tech revolution impact human cultures and lifestyles? My examination of human history shows we’ve experienced one major cultural dysfunction on top of another without ever having solved those prior—this newest wave will make six by my count. Which dysfunction should be solved first? IMO, community and cooperation must become the norm while conflict and the competition that fuels it must be buried.
This is perhaps one of the most important sets of assertions presented in the past many years. In part for summarizing the key difference in approach between modern Russia and the modern West, especially the US.
I'm homing in on this: "freedom and responsibility" versus the post-1960 "freedom FROM responsibility" craze that took hold in the US and spread throughout west.
It is this element of "freedom" that translates to "licentiousness" in Chinese and creates a sense of revulsion in civilizations that have not been infiltrated and fractured by the siren song of Western money. It is, also, if you like, directly aligned with Satanism's--"do what you wilt be the whole of the law". In this respect, yes, Iran's label of the US as the "Great Satan" is accurate, as is Russia's pushback on the West's war as Satanic in grounding.
In any case, it is the (Western) emphasis on hyper-individualism that shears a person from responsibility to the greater whole, supposedly "freeing" them from social chains, while actually ensnaring them in spiritual chains and leaving them singularly vulnerable to exploitation and destruction--whether that is corruption to external influence or outright obliteration by counter-cultural waves. Self-actualization through annihilation, so to speak.
Decades ago I formulated a thesis postulating that the increasing atomization of society would eventually nullify it as it would be all for one instead of one for all. There are many manifestations of this happening which some see and attempt to alter by building community. Recall the main method of control used by Western Oligarchs is Divide and Rule, so the increasing atomization—division—of society enhances their ability to control.
This resonates with the work that Emanuel Todd has been doing for years on family, society and national identity. As a demographer and historian as well as an anthropologist he has charted the demise of US and European Civilization in general as leaders and their populations pursue the collapse of earlier family and national values. He’s recently given lectures in Moscow, Budapest and an interview in Germany with Weltwoche on this very subject.
This is the he very definition of fiddling while (the third) Rome burns. Soon literally -- expect a mass launch of cruise missiles towards Moscow on June 22, symbolically.
A conventional first strike was launched against the entire strategic aviation and AWACS fleet, it has been ten days since then, Putin has not even acknowledged it happened, let alone responded to it, never mind what the nuclear doctrine says, and now this farce????
Nobody cares about Ukraine. First, it is fully disposable, second, it is Russian territory too, so the more damage there, the better. Russia will have to pay for it one way or another.
But official Russian territory is burning every night too.
Meanwhile I see no drones and missiles flying towards Berlin, Paris, Brussels, London, DC and NYC.
The cities you named and the nations where they reside are slowly killing themselves though their policy choices. Russia doesn’t need to attack them when they’re doing such a good job themselves.
G'day Karl, wasn't the Versailles treaty supposed to contain The German state and now their self inflicted decisions are something that should do the trick.
I am no scholar of the interwar years but were not the citizens demoralised by ww1 and today's citizens are similarly demoralised but by their leaders who wish to militarised their economic base.
Is that not a possible threat in years to come say 20 years if the head remains on the beast as GM is saying needs removing by the RF.
Will Russia be stronger after a few more years of not a war oh no an anti terrorist action now with another 100,000 possible mourning mother's and wives.
I value your opinions but I see acquiesce to the present situation and not much questioning of the improbables that appear to be de riguer
Versailles failed for several reasons, but the rearming of Germany was preventable IF France and the UK had acted as allowed by the treaty. They did nothing and in fact boosted German recovery. Keynes wrote a short book about what he saw coming when after he stormed away from Versailles to Southern France—”The Economic Consequences of the Peace”—and predicted WW2 to occur in a generation or sooner.
As for fighting off terrorists, Putin did that already during the Second Chechen War during which Beslan and other atrocities happened. Crocus Hall already happened this time. Russians aren’t inexperienced but will need to relearn vigilance.
Do look closer to see the very minimal damage being done that isn’t slowing Russia one bit while the Collective Western Empire is eating itself. What’s happening across the Outlaw US Empire isn’t a good sign.
You do realize that the whole strategic aviation and AWACS fleets would have been destroyed if the operation on June 1st had gone according to plan? As it is, they lost a double digit strategic bombers, burned to the ground.
Terrorism, the last refuge of a defeated scoundrel.
Sod's Law - The combined West/NATO believed that if not militarily then financial/economic sanctions would decimate the Russian economy and bring down Putin's regime and yet another dozen factory/retail closures here in Limey-Land, England, across Europe and America.
Russia needn't fire a shot to bring down the UK/Euro Politburos.
G'day WTFUD will the SAS and boat squadies be returned to barracks after economic degradation is further evident in the consumers eye, Russia is being attacked England is not though it is economically degenerating along with the EU nations but.........?
G'day James, if Karma is omnipotent then why was the Russian citizen suffering so during the 1990s whilst the US consumer bought and bought to their hearts content whilst the nation wealth was changing hands in Russia and the West.
An expert no only an observer and all I observe is that Evil seems to perpetuate and is Karma not meant to be a foil against evil or maybe a counterweight.
The common response could be payback in the afterlife well possible but unknowable. Hence my comment re Karma, maybe you have evidence of the effectiveness of Karma.
Morals and values are a positive and should be practised by all but those who run amok seem to get off scott free in the main with some exceptions coincidence or otherwise.
Well that's my thoughts on the effectiveness of Karma of the individual but if you look at leaders then it seems far worse. Think Pinochet, Suharto, Stalin being just three who lived to a healthy happy end with no interference from Karma or payment for their deeds.
Values are not enough. The economic structure of society overrules values. Czarist Russia, steeped in Orthodox tradition, collapsed in no time against the Germans. The Soviets did not. A society built on capitalism, wherein private property, the market and profit determine what is produced and how it is distributed, will manifest capitalist values. Oligarchy a la Russia is simply an iteration of capitalism. Traditional values will eventually be overwhelmed. This is essentially what happened in the US. Putin talks a good game, but he doesn't understand where values come from and how they are sustained.
You’re treading on thin ice thinking you know what’s in Putin’s mind. Yes, values aren’t the only core aspects of a sovereign nation, a proper political-economic system is also required—one that’s as equitable as possible, which is what Russia is striving to construct. As for the reasons that caused the collapse of the nascent republic that was being built on the outcome of the 1905 Revolution, it didn’t have time to mature along with having a very reluctant Tsar who didn’t really want to rule. And there’s more to it all as you’ll discover from what Putin had to say today.
It's hard to disagree for any moral person, with what the greatest leader of our times states. On most if not all the time. It's unbelievable the demise in all Western rulers today. I've been around just short of 6 decades. I like to believe I'm young at heart & mind & I do keep myself fit. But it's staggering to see a man of President Putin's age get through the workload he does. It's not just that it's how well he does it. Sergio Lavrov deserves a mention also for that matter. My age means I've witnessed a lot of leaders. It also means I've witnessed such a demise in my own country it beggars belief. The people chosen & placed into their positions. Are chosen for all the wrong reasons. This is Western democracy today, a total corrupt disaster. The differences are so mind boggling, it's impossible for me to explain. That is to 99% of my friends & family as they don't know geopolitics like myself. The only view they have of Russia & President Putin. Are what they've been told by the most Anti Russian & Rusdophobic country on the planet (GB). The media & politicians would collapse if the country knew the Truth about Russia & it's leader. The ones I have managed to educate & direct to the right areas to research. Have became as much as admirers as myself. It's also put them in the picture of our own rulers. I've managed to debate 2 MP's in recent years. The debates lasted minutes after I totally destroyed them by simple facts. The truth is their greatest enemy. This is what President Putin is stating, it's about morals, it's about truth & being dignified. You'd believe it was a simple straight forward message. It might be in Russia, it's impossible for Western rulers to do so. Today the media can't challenge them, never mind ask for any proof of their pathetic accusations.
Agreed. For many years my main suggestion to Russia was to merely tell the truth/explain reality and back it with the genuine facts. In his latest chat with Nima, Pepe Escobar described his experiences in Nizhny Novgorod and the aim of the Global South to collectively do an end run around BigLie Media. He also provides other info, but I’m guessing you’d be interested in this new media model. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMYcDaI4ROQ
I love to listen to both Nima & Pepe. Not that Nima says much. He's a brilliant host & let's his guests explain their knowledge properly without interruption. I listen to his videos every day while at work. Pepe is easily in the top 5 of the people I love to hear. I also love to listen to Allister Crooke, he knows the inner workings from all sides & has vast knowledge. Which I know you are well aware of. Thank you for what you do it's much appreciated.
G'day Karl, the truth well I do wonder whether what we see in Russia and it leaders actions is as it appears or is how it is what it appears. Yes what we see on your site suggests VVP is amazing and morality seems a guiding light yet on the flip side I see but cannot verify that Orthodox celebrations are not permitted due to security reasons(sic) but many large outdoor eid el adha prayer session numbering in the thousands are permitted. Plus how long was the Orthodox church under threat in Ukraine whilst the RF acquiesced in the face of the growing threat to the state and Russian speakers in the Donbass and then goaling of the leaders of the so called sepatists and disappearance of some others.
Yes the great replacement I hear, obviously I do not believe in this but the increase in the prevalence of Islam in a supposed Judeo/Christian government seems perplexing, I admit to not being fully conversant with the Chechnya experience of the Russian state and the role of the Asian states in the RFed.
Maybe some articles tying this together with the go slow of the SMOor WAT or a war without having a war but we are just being nice and moral in the face of terrorism and allied atrocities.
The previous clarity seemly is becoming murky and less coherent and the certainty or a belief in it's possibilities seems impossible lately.
Without accepting the grinding hope of a future victory if no backroom deal is done with the shonky dealer dude from the big Apple.
Islam has been a component of Russia for 500+ years. I suggest reading about Kazan capital of the Tatarstan province here for generalities,https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kazan?ysclid=mbrebtihdj633955762#Demographics
And here for the important specifics, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interfaith_relations_in_Kazan
The peoples of the Caucasus are another very different story with its fifty different “nationalities” as they were called by the West before and during the Cold War, the Chechens being just one. It’s quite fascinating. I wrote a paper about them in 1993.
Do you still have access to that 1993 paper by any chance Karl?
Yes and no. It resides on ASCII-format floppy discs that no computer I have can read.
C est la vie
Thanks for the links re Tatars and Kazan, I hope the Saudis and Qataris haven't been funding mosque construction and proselytising as they have in Indonesia and created salafi wahabbi pesantrens and madhrassahs as I personally have experienced the changes over the last thirty years in Indonesia and it has not been positive.
One of the reasons why Russia was so happy to get into OPEC+ was to influence the Saudis and Qataris and get them to cease their destructive activities. That’s proven to be a success.
I do hope you are correct as it will create great problems for the RF as it has done in Indonesia, I see the problems first hand there and similar situations happened in both places. One converted from socialism to capitalism whilst the other transformed from autocracy to supposed democracy, yes free and fair elections but not much else.
Religious fundamentalists aka takfiris returned to the country after reformasi and changes swiftly followed alongside the graduations from pesantren funded by salafi states.
I do wonder how a state can stop this insidious change in the ummahs belief structures when they previously were secular in both cases. Al quran is generally not studied by the majority but is enthusiastically melodiously recited, competitions abound but a complete acceptance of the ulamas dakwah is the norm hence my apprehension!!
You state that it's "impossible to explain" well you're off to a great start please continue!!
I have lost count of the number of times when our glorious Western leaders have invoked "our values", "our Western values", "our European values", or "our British values".
But they NEVER say what those values are! Perhaps because those values are directly contrary to the policies our governments are following.
Mr Putin is moral, straightforward and honest.
"Traditional values are moral guidelines that have been established by our ancestors over the centuries. They are the foundation of our civilization and identity, providing support for individuals and families, shaping our culture, and fostering a sovereign worldview that resists attempts to impose foreign wills.
"The values that define us are the unity of the peoples of Russia, commitment to truth and justice, mercy and humanism, a strong family, and love for children. It is about mutual assistance and the desire to achieve not only personal well-being, but also the success of the entire country. And of course, it is about patriotism and loyalty to one's homeland".
6000 Ukrainian corpses looking to be laid to rest. Where's the Ukrainian public's outrage? If Putin refused the corpses of Russian soldiers the Russian people would protest in numbers, the army also.
Von der Lying Sack demands a Russian ceasefire, not to gather up those who perished on the battlefield but to bring in more engineering equipment to dig more trenches, plant more mines, repair tanks/IFV's and pressgang more dupes off the street.
Once dead you're now a liability to Ukraine/NATO.
6000 corpses (possibly another 40,000 I hear). Maybe the engineering equipment can be used to dig more graves.
Those 6000 have a mother & father, maybe a brother(s) and sister(s), cousins, aunts & uncles. They all have name-tags so if not done already publish the names & ranks of the dead and possibly 50,000 relatives will be on the street tomorrow.
This regime must fall internally.
Some media have declared Putin guilty of weaponizing the dead. Martyanov recently had a video showing an excavator standing by as troops placed several body bags into the shallow pit the machine had dug. The troops done, the excavator started up and began pilling the dirt back on top. Unmarked graves like that from WW1 are still discovered, and there’s a volunteer Russian group that every summer goes out to look for more of the same from WW2, and they still find a few yearly. If you’ve not seen the Russian film “Come and See” and how entire villages were completely erased via Plan Ost policy, you might try—it’s one thing to read about the plans and the war reports and another to watch how it was done.
Even the fake NATO/Mossad trained IS & Ali Qaeda Jihadis bury their dead within 48 hours which is further proof of the Godless Satanic Western Vermin's Demonic Nature.
Western descent into debauchery will only accelerate further with it's economic demise
Participants of the meeting of the Security Council of the Russian Federation (via videoconference)
June 10, 2025
Permanent members of the Security Council :
MISHUSTIN Mikhail Vladimirovich – Chairman of the Government of the Russian Federation
MATVIENKO Valentina Ivanovna – Chairperson of the Federation Council of the Federal Assembly of the Russian Federation
VOLODIN Vyacheslav Viktorovich – Chairman of the State Duma of the Federal Assembly of the Russian Federation
MEDVEDEV Dmitry Anatolyevich – Deputy Chairman of the Security Council of the Russian Federation
VAINO Anton Eduardovich – Head of the Administration of the President of the Russian Federation
SHOIGU Sergey Kuzhugetovich – Secretary of the Security Council of the Russian Federation
PATRUSHEV Nikolay Platonovich – Assistant to the President of the Russian Federation
BELOUSOV Andrey Removich – Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation
KOLOKOLTSEV Vladimir Aleksandrovich – Minister of Internal Affairs of the Russian Federation
LAVROV Sergey Viktorovich – Minister of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation
NARYSHKIN Sergey Evgenievich – Director of the Foreign Intelligence Service of the Russian Federation
IVANOV Sergey Borisovich – Special Representative of the President of the Russian Federation on environmental protection, ecology and transport
Members of the Security Council :
KRASNOV Igor Viktorovich – Prosecutor General of the Russian Federation
MANTUROV Denis Valentinovich – First Deputy Chairman of the Government of the Russian Federation
DYUMIN Aleksey Gennadievich – Assistant to the President of the Russian Federation
KURENKOV Alexander Vyacheslavovich - Minister of the Russian Federation for Civil Defense, Emergencies and Elimination of Consequences of Natural Disasters
CHUICHENKO Konstantin Anatolyevich – Plenipotentiary Representative of the President of the Russian Federation in the Southern Federal District
CHAIKA Yuri Yakovlevich – Plenipotentiary Representative of the President of the Russian Federation in the North Caucasian Federal District
ZOLOTOV Viktor Vasilyevich - Director of the Federal Service of the National Guard Troops of the Russian Federation - Commander-in-Chief of the National Guard Troops of the Russian Federation
LINETS Alexander Leonidovich – Head of the Main Directorate of Special Programs of the President of the Russian Federation
SKVORTSOVA Veronika Igorevna – Head of the Federal Medical and Biological Agency
Sergei Semenovich SOBYANIN – Mayor of Moscow
BEGLOV Alexander Dmitrievich – Governor of St. Petersburg
NURGALIEV Rashid Gumarovich - First Deputy Secretary of the Security Council of the Russian Federation
Invited :
GOLIKOVA Tatyana Alekseevna – Deputy Chairman of the Government of the Russian Federation
BRYCHEVA Larisa Igorevna – Assistant to the President of the Russian Federation – Head of the State and Legal Department of the President of the Russian Federation
MEDINSKY Vladimir Rostislavovich – Assistant to the President of the Russian Federation
ARTYUKHOV Dmitry Andreevich – Governor of the Yamalo-Nenets Autonomous Okrug
SHEVTSOV Aleksey Leontyevich – Deputy Secretary of the Security Council of the Russian Federation
Thanks. I see the Kremlin updated the page with that additional info. I see from the roster that this meeting’s topics went well beyond values; for example, why didn’t the Education Minister attend or others that are related. Where’s Patriarch Kirill? The note by Shoigu was curious. Some of the documents he named I’d like to find and read. What I’d also be interested in reading is a listing of what Russia deems to be deviant values if one exists.
Again, thanks for your contribution. I don’t see where Shoigu adds anything more to what Putin said, although I will say again that it’s quite curious for I fail to recall any previous explanatory note being provided after a Security Council meeting.
Actually I do not believe the security council meeting was about protecting traditional spiritual and moral values, well yes but not entirely. What is not shared outside is probably related to immigration. For some reason everyone and everyone is offended by the discussion, so it is not shared with us, maybe. It seems to me that it is prohibited everywhere, not different to the anti semitism agenda. Well I do not know, it is my opinion, but certainly it is indisputable that traditional values are seriously affected by, in the case of Russia, foreign peoples. There is no reason to censor ourselves by talking about good, adequate and friendly peoples. The discussion is not about them, it is about some, not only a few unfortunately, that have no interest, nothing to contribute and worse actively behave purposely to negatively affect our communities and the state. Changing our values, this is unacceptable.
Patriarch Kirill has not been a participant at any security council meeting. Again I am not certain but anyway he also has a strong opinion about immigration, he even shared it at the World Russian Peoples Council. You probably saw it some time ago, if you did not I can find it for you. His views are known, upset some, you will have an opinion about why it is a problem to discuss for some. Capitalism needs it, I understand this. Big business only has profit as a traditional value, so there is that but even more sinister I believe.
Minister of education Sergey Sergeyevich Kravtsov is objectively one of the weakest ministers in Mishustin's cabinet and should be replaced. This is also my opinion. On the subject of immigration he also disgraced himself. State Duma member Mikhail Matveyev about introducing an entrance exam in Russian for children of foreigners, Kratsov declared “such an approach violates the rights of foreigners to receive an education”, and Russian schools need to be adapted to the needs of migrants. He changed his mind after the Presidential decree about a Russian language exam for children of foreigners, but who cannot see the strategy of him. Theater to impress others to the detriment of more substantive matters. This type of behaviour is devisive, controversial and dangerous.
Ha, I sound like a miserable grandmother! My friends opinion not mine, clearly
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Yes, I’m aware of Kirill’s immigrations views. I have no way of judging Kravtsov’s performance, although the problem of relieving teachers of unnecessary bureaucratic burdens not being solved is a reflection on his lack of performance. Immigration is an important issue. When Russian was the lingua franca during the Soviet Era, the shuffling of peoples likely wasn’t as much of a problem, but then other issues also dominated. The generational break between 1990 and 2010 and the emphasis on national languages and customs versus Russian is part of the cause which is why the emphasis on opening Russian language schools in all ‘Stans, which is where most immigrants are coming from—and generally they are low-skill workers. The issue of immigration here is bad because the problem of structural racism was never addressed and is still a factor. Russia had its own period with that issue which is called Great Russian Chauvinism. Putin and much of his team are to be credited with doing their best to promote the multi-ethnic/multinational aspect of Russia as an asset, but problems still exist coming from both sides of the immigration issue. The riots happening across my nation are all generated by very genuine grievances that reach back to the initial settlement of America. IMO, the steepest learning curve for Humans is learning how to live in harmony with all other Humans. Attain that and we can all live in peace and prosper.
Do not talk about jews, do not talk about immigrants, do not talk about climate change, do not talk about men in womens sports and not only these. Meanwhile it is difficult to argue that at least one or more is negatively impacting peoples lives and everywhere. It is even more difficult to solve anything without talking. So who decided discussion of this is prohibited everywhere and everywhere and why?
The elephants own most global media platforms. That’s why I read Russian and Chinese media and Western alt-media. Although it must be admitted that freedom of discourse within the USA was never 100% as many subjects were taboo, a situation that slowly dissolved after WW2 but was replaced by a different sort of propaganda. Often the most outspoken people and places were the playwrights working on and off Broadway in New York City. Marx is condemned but Ayn Rand is worshiped as is the ism she promoted. And then there’s the elite educational system known as the Ivy League all of which began as religious colleges. What’s known as McCarthyism didn’t just happen from 1949-1954 as something very similar has existed at other times including now. Thus, the rising popularity of substack.
Well I enjoy substack because of your gym.
Your previous comment is the exhibit A. Ha :)
It cannot be unreasonable to believe leaving her mother and sister to be killed by nazis in Leningrad is the first example of her “unfettered self interest”, right? It really was a creature!
Now compare that with Trumps cabinet, nyet why bother
Sergei Shoigu detailed some of the meeting after.
http://kremlin.ru/supplement/6345
Forgotten link to participants above
http://kremlin.ru/supplement/6343
quote "By depriving nations of their values and sovereignty, it is easier to subjugate them and turn them into vassals."
very true! and indeed this is what the 'neo liberal' west with it's woke agenda is intent on doing too, although they don't mention the part of subjugating others any as that would be seen as very ''undemocratic'' lol... i am so tired of the propaganda bs coming out of my own country canada and other counties in the uncivilized west..
"The values that define us are ...about mutual assistance and the desire to achieve not only personal well-being, but also the success of the entire country." - V. Putin
It's interesting that Putin mentions mutual assistance as a Russian value. During the Russian revolution, a contemporary of Lenin by the name of Pyotr Kropotkin became influential. He was an anarchist and a geographer by training, and had made a number of expeditions throughout Russia. He was also a very keen observer of animal and human behavior. He wrote a famous book called Mutual Aid. In it he laid out convincing arguments against the more brutish, 'survival of the fittest' interpretation of evolution that was in vogue at the time. Kropotkin noted how numerous (and very successful) animal species behaved in ways that supported other individuals, rather than engaging in cutthroat competitiveness. You could think of the great herds of reindeer circling around a core of old, weak and young reindeer at the center where they are more protected, as an example.
I'm certain Mr. Putin knows all about Kropotkin and his philosophy. And it's interesting to see Kropotkin's concepts now given the status of national value in Russia.
Russia has always been mutualist at the commoner level. On nature, the great microbiologist Lynn Margulis said nature employs symbiosis and cooperation to advance, not competition. Consumption by different trophic groups is nature’s method of maintaining balance, which is why Chinese/Asians see harmony/balance as the best way. If you listened closely during “The Phantom Menace,” you’ll have heard about the “metaclorians” and their deed, and that the Gungans and Nabu formed a symbiont system. All very softly said. That was 1999, and I was jazzed that I got the underlying message that many millions have missed.
"... we stand for respect for the identity of countries and peoples, their customs and cultures."
This admirable moral position avoids the problem of countries ruled by toxic, sociopathic orthodoxies, manifesting harmful social inequalities. Inherently correct beliefs, axiomatically true opinions are woven into the social habits of any country's inhabitants, especially their rulers. The consequences of acting out orthodoxies may be benign or malign. Toxic orthodoxies result in harms to those deprived of social or international legitimacy.
Toxic, sociopathic orthodoxies contain instructions, permissions, injunctions, exhortations for causing harm, performing atrocities, manuals for nastiness by some against others, and even against themselves - self-harm, both within the country and outside it. Rulers systematically harm the ruled. Dominants harm submissives. Submission is coerced. The sociopathic orthodoxy is an infective social disease with the following types of manifestations:
In general:
Obsessive malignant intentions: involuntary continuous, repeated harm planning
[as contrasted with everyday constructive, benign achieving prospects, anticipations, objectives, projections, plans]
Compulsive actions: compelled to do, perform harm
[as contrasted with normal social habits of mutual benefit]
In particular:
▶belligerence; harmful combat, wars performed against designated enemies/threats & instigated in independent others;
▶stealing; impermitted, forbidden taking from others; [extracting resources from colonies, with or without settlers, corporate usurping of ownership of land and its produce; petty crime against property - burglary, shoplifting; scamming.]
▶destroying order; bringing about chaos; [destabilisation, sabotage, disaster capitalism, provoked rioting.]
▶coercively mentally instilling own orthodoxies, moral correctness in vulnerable others. [churches, missionaries, black propaganda, corporately owned communicative media.]
▶commercial combat, strife; [cheating on agreements; deceitful dealing; dumping and undercutting to spoil price mechanisms; sanctions; blockades; tariffs]
These are characteristics of centuries of imperialism. British, European, and American modi operandi.
A related problem for BRICS+ is that despite an country being commercially benign, its contractual trading dealings being correct and reliable [it doesn't renege on its agreements], its internal orthodoxy is psychopathic. How does a BRICS member accommodate its sovereign morality to that country's bad behaviour? From recent experience, seemingly not at all - it ignores the bad political smell under its nose.
I don't know how this problem can be solved in general, but pretending it doesn't exist isn't a solution.
The SMO is a practical solution to the 2014 ethnofascist coup in Ukraine and its consequences for Russians in Ukraine. After 8 long years of human, cultural and physical destruction in the Donbass, Russia joined the native inhabitants in directly throwing off the yoke of the Nazi ideologists and their political and military invasion. But that is an outlier, a special case where intervention was possible. What about the rest
Cleaning Humanity of all its ills to attain the betterment of all is a very thorny question that’s dogged me for half my life. What causes the rise of megalomania or pleonexia in people who were born “neutral” in that regard? What caused some cultures to move from cooperation to competition, which was very prominent with the onset of the Agricultural Revolution about 15,000 years ago? How will the newest tech revolution impact human cultures and lifestyles? My examination of human history shows we’ve experienced one major cultural dysfunction on top of another without ever having solved those prior—this newest wave will make six by my count. Which dysfunction should be solved first? IMO, community and cooperation must become the norm while conflict and the competition that fuels it must be buried.
This is perhaps one of the most important sets of assertions presented in the past many years. In part for summarizing the key difference in approach between modern Russia and the modern West, especially the US.
I'm homing in on this: "freedom and responsibility" versus the post-1960 "freedom FROM responsibility" craze that took hold in the US and spread throughout west.
It is this element of "freedom" that translates to "licentiousness" in Chinese and creates a sense of revulsion in civilizations that have not been infiltrated and fractured by the siren song of Western money. It is, also, if you like, directly aligned with Satanism's--"do what you wilt be the whole of the law". In this respect, yes, Iran's label of the US as the "Great Satan" is accurate, as is Russia's pushback on the West's war as Satanic in grounding.
In any case, it is the (Western) emphasis on hyper-individualism that shears a person from responsibility to the greater whole, supposedly "freeing" them from social chains, while actually ensnaring them in spiritual chains and leaving them singularly vulnerable to exploitation and destruction--whether that is corruption to external influence or outright obliteration by counter-cultural waves. Self-actualization through annihilation, so to speak.
Decades ago I formulated a thesis postulating that the increasing atomization of society would eventually nullify it as it would be all for one instead of one for all. There are many manifestations of this happening which some see and attempt to alter by building community. Recall the main method of control used by Western Oligarchs is Divide and Rule, so the increasing atomization—division—of society enhances their ability to control.
Emanuel Todd goes with family structures and society types as his basis of analysis, pretty close to what you postulated.
This resonates with the work that Emanuel Todd has been doing for years on family, society and national identity. As a demographer and historian as well as an anthropologist he has charted the demise of US and European Civilization in general as leaders and their populations pursue the collapse of earlier family and national values. He’s recently given lectures in Moscow, Budapest and an interview in Germany with Weltwoche on this very subject.
You’re aware he has a substack, https://emmanueltodd.substack.com/
This is the he very definition of fiddling while (the third) Rome burns. Soon literally -- expect a mass launch of cruise missiles towards Moscow on June 22, symbolically.
A conventional first strike was launched against the entire strategic aviation and AWACS fleet, it has been ten days since then, Putin has not even acknowledged it happened, let alone responded to it, never mind what the nuclear doctrine says, and now this farce????
You should be commenting at the current MoA thread as it's custom made for you.
Yes Ukraine burns while NATO/ZATO fiddle with terrorism.
Nobody cares about Ukraine. First, it is fully disposable, second, it is Russian territory too, so the more damage there, the better. Russia will have to pay for it one way or another.
But official Russian territory is burning every night too.
Meanwhile I see no drones and missiles flying towards Berlin, Paris, Brussels, London, DC and NYC.
The cities you named and the nations where they reside are slowly killing themselves though their policy choices. Russia doesn’t need to attack them when they’re doing such a good job themselves.
G'day Karl, wasn't the Versailles treaty supposed to contain The German state and now their self inflicted decisions are something that should do the trick.
I am no scholar of the interwar years but were not the citizens demoralised by ww1 and today's citizens are similarly demoralised but by their leaders who wish to militarised their economic base.
Is that not a possible threat in years to come say 20 years if the head remains on the beast as GM is saying needs removing by the RF.
Will Russia be stronger after a few more years of not a war oh no an anti terrorist action now with another 100,000 possible mourning mother's and wives.
I value your opinions but I see acquiesce to the present situation and not much questioning of the improbables that appear to be de riguer
Versailles failed for several reasons, but the rearming of Germany was preventable IF France and the UK had acted as allowed by the treaty. They did nothing and in fact boosted German recovery. Keynes wrote a short book about what he saw coming when after he stormed away from Versailles to Southern France—”The Economic Consequences of the Peace”—and predicted WW2 to occur in a generation or sooner.
As for fighting off terrorists, Putin did that already during the Second Chechen War during which Beslan and other atrocities happened. Crocus Hall already happened this time. Russians aren’t inexperienced but will need to relearn vigilance.
What good does them slowly killing themselves do to Russia when Russia is being bombed daily here and now?
The timelines don't quite match, do they?
What is the timeline of the West collapsing on its own versus the timeline of the West destroying Russia if Russia does not fight back?
Keep in mind that the West wants to destroy and loot Russia precisely in order to stave off its own collapse. It did that once with the USSR.
Do look closer to see the very minimal damage being done that isn’t slowing Russia one bit while the Collective Western Empire is eating itself. What’s happening across the Outlaw US Empire isn’t a good sign.
>very minimal damage
You do realize that the whole strategic aviation and AWACS fleets would have been destroyed if the operation on June 1st had gone according to plan? As it is, they lost a double digit strategic bombers, burned to the ground.
That is "minimal damage"?
Terrorism, the last refuge of a defeated scoundrel.
Sod's Law - The combined West/NATO believed that if not militarily then financial/economic sanctions would decimate the Russian economy and bring down Putin's regime and yet another dozen factory/retail closures here in Limey-Land, England, across Europe and America.
Russia needn't fire a shot to bring down the UK/Euro Politburos.
G'day WTFUD will the SAS and boat squadies be returned to barracks after economic degradation is further evident in the consumers eye, Russia is being attacked England is not though it is economically degenerating along with the EU nations but.........?
karma is a bitch, but some folks haven't figured that out yet..
G'day James, if Karma is omnipotent then why was the Russian citizen suffering so during the 1990s whilst the US consumer bought and bought to their hearts content whilst the nation wealth was changing hands in Russia and the West.
are you an expert on karma? if so - you tell me... thanks...
An expert no only an observer and all I observe is that Evil seems to perpetuate and is Karma not meant to be a foil against evil or maybe a counterweight.
The common response could be payback in the afterlife well possible but unknowable. Hence my comment re Karma, maybe you have evidence of the effectiveness of Karma.
Morals and values are a positive and should be practised by all but those who run amok seem to get off scott free in the main with some exceptions coincidence or otherwise.
Well that's my thoughts on the effectiveness of Karma of the individual but if you look at leaders then it seems far worse. Think Pinochet, Suharto, Stalin being just three who lived to a healthy happy end with no interference from Karma or payment for their deeds.
that putin is so unamerican, lol...
Values are not enough. The economic structure of society overrules values. Czarist Russia, steeped in Orthodox tradition, collapsed in no time against the Germans. The Soviets did not. A society built on capitalism, wherein private property, the market and profit determine what is produced and how it is distributed, will manifest capitalist values. Oligarchy a la Russia is simply an iteration of capitalism. Traditional values will eventually be overwhelmed. This is essentially what happened in the US. Putin talks a good game, but he doesn't understand where values come from and how they are sustained.
You’re treading on thin ice thinking you know what’s in Putin’s mind. Yes, values aren’t the only core aspects of a sovereign nation, a proper political-economic system is also required—one that’s as equitable as possible, which is what Russia is striving to construct. As for the reasons that caused the collapse of the nascent republic that was being built on the outcome of the 1905 Revolution, it didn’t have time to mature along with having a very reluctant Tsar who didn’t really want to rule. And there’s more to it all as you’ll discover from what Putin had to say today.
>Czarist Russia, steeped in Orthodox tradition, collapsed in no time against the Germans. The Soviets did not
Good for Russia that it is currently following the Soviet model. Oh, wait...