Yes, there were many points of humor which the Western POV evokes. It’s also easy to win any argument about the West when it comes to morality and the establishment of Harmony. That’s what China seeks—Harmony—as does most of the planet.
thanks karl.. hamish macdonald is out of his league.... complaining about 'developing' verses 'developed' status was interesting.. this is an important distinction in the imf policies.. the 'developed' countries have way more 'voting rights' then the 'developing' countries.. hamish seems very ignorant of this and much more.. good attack dog, but that is about it! zhou bo's book would be a very interesting read!!
Ah, the ABC, I don't expect much understanding from either Doogue or Macdonald as they adopt a liberal approach without understanding the nature of global financial imperialism, so their framing is always fundamentally flawed. I'm quite personally aware of the limits of the mindset, faux gravitas which I finding grating.
Indeed, Zhou Bo's perspective on the Russian military capabilities in the SMO is puzzling. Wondering if this is a general Chinese view on the military balance in the Ukraine, as I must presume he can't be out of touch with the general perceptions in his environment. But it is more in line with Western perceptions than with the Russian views.
For the fact he's a Colonel or was is a 'worry' when those missile systems turn away from Russia towards China using Taiwan as a base.
Seems the only action he saw was the 3 months in an Aussie Military Academy.
Let us not judge China's capabilities based on one man's outlook though.
The Chinese, I can write a book on my experiences with them, can succeed anywhere in the world, primarily because they are very sociable industrious people who can blend in to any group or society if made welcome. More than any other nation by a landslide, they can make any climate/country their home.
From my student days when trying to keep up with them in math to taking their money on the snooker and pool table, racetracks and casino weekends to flying in helicopters in Africa to reach some copper resource as the infrastructure was bombed out with hundreds of minefields to negotiate and last but not least the 3 weeks stay in the jungle which was nothing as comfortable as the TV serial I'm a Celebrity Get Me Out of Here (British but location Australia.
While western businessmen lark around comfortable hotels trying to do business the Chinese can sleep in the same hut as 12 Bushmen in the middle of nowhere.
I think, the very cautious approach Russia has shown from the very start of the SMO is due to their fear of longlasting terrorism. They try to antagonize civilians as little as possible to avoid resentment which would feed long lasting guerilla warfare.
The abominable numbers of KIA and mutilated soldiers are bad enough.
In this respect the Chinese view may be absolutely correct: they are afraid.
IMO, fear doesn’t enter the equation at all, and I see no evidence of it driving policy for either Russia or China. Rather, through their multilateral institutions they combine with other nations to combat the Outlaw US Empire/NATO’s Terrorist Foreign Legion—proxies they’ve used that actually predate the world wars and stem from Colonialism/Imperialism.
So you think that China views the way the SMO is waged as humiliating for Russia? It seems to me that the restrains & restrictions they are putting on their efforts is rather honorable. It has sure taken longer than three days, but as you say, the Ukraine does have the full support of Europe and had a lot of support from the USA...
The same goes for both sides, although the Russian list of attacks on Ukraine would be much larger and not include civilian targets. If you browse the archive, you’ll see I don’t cover the combat aspects of the SMO like many others, such as Simplicius as that’s not the Gym’s purpose.
"But if you believe that this world order is a collection of civilizations, then you ask yourself: How do I coexist with others?"
The term "coexist" refers to the peaceful existence of people and nations. In Spanish, the term "convivir" is often preferred. This term, which refers to life rather than mere existence, means "living and sharing in mutual respect."
If we associate civilization with wisdom, that should be the guiding principle of every civilization worthy of the name.
Chinese diplomacy is based on dialogue, discussion and reflection. Unfortunately, the West perceives this as weakness because the West believes in cowboy bluster: Shoot first and ask questions later. Might Makes Right.
Great article, Karl. Bo is such an unusual species in the west: perfectly reasonable, intelligent and polite. I agree with you on his Russia quip. He shows there a serious weakness which I can only hope is not a reflection of the CCP's view. Essentially, he has a "myopic" Chinese nationalist opinion on the conflict that fails to recognize how important a Russian victory over Imperialism in Ukraine is for China and really all non-imperialist countries on earth. Instead, he kind of looks at it as unrelated to China and seems to advance some neutral approach to the conflict, which is just so stupid. Can he imagine if the Imperialists got what they wanted? Imperialism's Ukronazis sharing a border with China!
I see he’s been retired for several years, touring and writing, thus he’s disconnected. His bigger points are more important. His book is making a major splash, its contents being what the interview was about. May is about to begin, and Trump is well removed from May 9th, which IMO is proper. Lots of chaff being ejected to confuse vision.
Finally got to this. As you note, Bo is being tactful.
Worth repeating: "In the last 40 years, you can't find an example of the PLA killing a person overseas–-isn't that commendable?" I have to admit that it most certainly is.
"The brutal reality of American manufacturing in miniature: Trump's factory to celebrate 100 days in office, production lines have been relocated to China"
On April 29, 2017, the Ames True Temper unicycle plant in Pennsylvania, USA. There Trump celebrated his 100th day in office.
Eight years later, Trump is celebrating the 100-day milestone. It's just that the factory that pinned his original dream of reviving "Made in America" is no longer there.
Its production line was relocated to China.
"It's a microcosm of the harsh reality of U.S. manufacturing." As the chaos caused by Trump's tariffs intensified, Bloomberg published a lengthy article on April 29 revealing the embarrassing fate of the Ames True Temper factory.
The abc team actually mentioned the conflict in the middle east, realised their diabolical error and immediately rushed off to drag the ukraine liberation war into the forefront. OOPSY ABC nearly enabled a debate on the peaceful intervention necessary to stop the genocide that so offended the UN ICJ that they found a case of genocide being committed by a state.
That was an interesting discussion and Zhou was excellent in dealing with the most recent aussie attempted invasion of China. Freedom of the sea means that for all parties and particularly applies to Australia that manipulated the meaning so they could steal oil and gas from East Timor.
I assume the abc employees get special entertainment privileges and a bar tab at the American Club at 131 Macquarie St Sydney. Its a mighty good view and you can often see the USA warships visiting the Sydney Harbour from the bar stools.
Ah, so you’ve been to that Club. Yes, Palestine most likely wasn’t part of Zhou’s book. IMO, Zhou could’ve done more “damage” during the “friendly quarrel.”
Indeed, I attended a corporate gab fest in their rooms. Merely being invited there told me all I needed to know about that particular corporation and its political affinities. Small things can be revealing. Its definitely not my drop in bar.
"I don't think we can resolve this difference of opinion in this episode" The west loves conflict!
:)
Yes, there were many points of humor which the Western POV evokes. It’s also easy to win any argument about the West when it comes to morality and the establishment of Harmony. That’s what China seeks—Harmony—as does most of the planet.
Pushing debates or arguments generally results in hysteria, entertaining sometimes :)
thanks karl.. hamish macdonald is out of his league.... complaining about 'developing' verses 'developed' status was interesting.. this is an important distinction in the imf policies.. the 'developed' countries have way more 'voting rights' then the 'developing' countries.. hamish seems very ignorant of this and much more.. good attack dog, but that is about it! zhou bo's book would be a very interesting read!!
Ah, the ABC, I don't expect much understanding from either Doogue or Macdonald as they adopt a liberal approach without understanding the nature of global financial imperialism, so their framing is always fundamentally flawed. I'm quite personally aware of the limits of the mindset, faux gravitas which I finding grating.
Indeed, Zhou Bo's perspective on the Russian military capabilities in the SMO is puzzling. Wondering if this is a general Chinese view on the military balance in the Ukraine, as I must presume he can't be out of touch with the general perceptions in his environment. But it is more in line with Western perceptions than with the Russian views.
You stole my thunder pepa65.
For the fact he's a Colonel or was is a 'worry' when those missile systems turn away from Russia towards China using Taiwan as a base.
Seems the only action he saw was the 3 months in an Aussie Military Academy.
Let us not judge China's capabilities based on one man's outlook though.
The Chinese, I can write a book on my experiences with them, can succeed anywhere in the world, primarily because they are very sociable industrious people who can blend in to any group or society if made welcome. More than any other nation by a landslide, they can make any climate/country their home.
From my student days when trying to keep up with them in math to taking their money on the snooker and pool table, racetracks and casino weekends to flying in helicopters in Africa to reach some copper resource as the infrastructure was bombed out with hundreds of minefields to negotiate and last but not least the 3 weeks stay in the jungle which was nothing as comfortable as the TV serial I'm a Celebrity Get Me Out of Here (British but location Australia.
While western businessmen lark around comfortable hotels trying to do business the Chinese can sleep in the same hut as 12 Bushmen in the middle of nowhere.
Russia has already incorporated the “four oblasts” and is working on liberating more Russian speakers from the Nazis.
I think, the very cautious approach Russia has shown from the very start of the SMO is due to their fear of longlasting terrorism. They try to antagonize civilians as little as possible to avoid resentment which would feed long lasting guerilla warfare.
The abominable numbers of KIA and mutilated soldiers are bad enough.
In this respect the Chinese view may be absolutely correct: they are afraid.
IMO, fear doesn’t enter the equation at all, and I see no evidence of it driving policy for either Russia or China. Rather, through their multilateral institutions they combine with other nations to combat the Outlaw US Empire/NATO’s Terrorist Foreign Legion—proxies they’ve used that actually predate the world wars and stem from Colonialism/Imperialism.
So you think that China views the way the SMO is waged as humiliating for Russia? It seems to me that the restrains & restrictions they are putting on their efforts is rather honorable. It has sure taken longer than three days, but as you say, the Ukraine does have the full support of Europe and had a lot of support from the USA...
Now you're just spouting discredited propaganda.
Anyone has a more effective air defense than Russia??
The same goes for both sides, although the Russian list of attacks on Ukraine would be much larger and not include civilian targets. If you browse the archive, you’ll see I don’t cover the combat aspects of the SMO like many others, such as Simplicius as that’s not the Gym’s purpose.
"But if you believe that this world order is a collection of civilizations, then you ask yourself: How do I coexist with others?"
The term "coexist" refers to the peaceful existence of people and nations. In Spanish, the term "convivir" is often preferred. This term, which refers to life rather than mere existence, means "living and sharing in mutual respect."
If we associate civilization with wisdom, that should be the guiding principle of every civilization worthy of the name.
Chinese diplomacy is based on dialogue, discussion and reflection. Unfortunately, the West perceives this as weakness because the West believes in cowboy bluster: Shoot first and ask questions later. Might Makes Right.
Great article, Karl. Bo is such an unusual species in the west: perfectly reasonable, intelligent and polite. I agree with you on his Russia quip. He shows there a serious weakness which I can only hope is not a reflection of the CCP's view. Essentially, he has a "myopic" Chinese nationalist opinion on the conflict that fails to recognize how important a Russian victory over Imperialism in Ukraine is for China and really all non-imperialist countries on earth. Instead, he kind of looks at it as unrelated to China and seems to advance some neutral approach to the conflict, which is just so stupid. Can he imagine if the Imperialists got what they wanted? Imperialism's Ukronazis sharing a border with China!
Actually, they should be meeting them already some place in Africa.
I see he’s been retired for several years, touring and writing, thus he’s disconnected. His bigger points are more important. His book is making a major splash, its contents being what the interview was about. May is about to begin, and Trump is well removed from May 9th, which IMO is proper. Lots of chaff being ejected to confuse vision.
Finally got to this. As you note, Bo is being tactful.
Worth repeating: "In the last 40 years, you can't find an example of the PLA killing a person overseas–-isn't that commendable?" I have to admit that it most certainly is.
A little illustrative aside:
"The brutal reality of American manufacturing in miniature: Trump's factory to celebrate 100 days in office, production lines have been relocated to China"
On April 29, 2017, the Ames True Temper unicycle plant in Pennsylvania, USA. There Trump celebrated his 100th day in office.
Eight years later, Trump is celebrating the 100-day milestone. It's just that the factory that pinned his original dream of reviving "Made in America" is no longer there.
Its production line was relocated to China.
"It's a microcosm of the harsh reality of U.S. manufacturing." As the chaos caused by Trump's tariffs intensified, Bloomberg published a lengthy article on April 29 revealing the embarrassing fate of the Ames True Temper factory.
Read on: https://www.guancha.cn/internation/2025_04_29_774166.shtml
The abc team actually mentioned the conflict in the middle east, realised their diabolical error and immediately rushed off to drag the ukraine liberation war into the forefront. OOPSY ABC nearly enabled a debate on the peaceful intervention necessary to stop the genocide that so offended the UN ICJ that they found a case of genocide being committed by a state.
That was an interesting discussion and Zhou was excellent in dealing with the most recent aussie attempted invasion of China. Freedom of the sea means that for all parties and particularly applies to Australia that manipulated the meaning so they could steal oil and gas from East Timor.
I assume the abc employees get special entertainment privileges and a bar tab at the American Club at 131 Macquarie St Sydney. Its a mighty good view and you can often see the USA warships visiting the Sydney Harbour from the bar stools.
Ah, so you’ve been to that Club. Yes, Palestine most likely wasn’t part of Zhou’s book. IMO, Zhou could’ve done more “damage” during the “friendly quarrel.”
Indeed, I attended a corporate gab fest in their rooms. Merely being invited there told me all I needed to know about that particular corporation and its political affinities. Small things can be revealing. Its definitely not my drop in bar.